beta5 or rc1

[Matt Rogers]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:56:53PM -0700, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Sunday 11 November 2007, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > > Let's just do RC1 and get this thing out the door. I'm tired of
> > > watching the release date slip and we don't do anything for the
> > > project by allowing it to slip further.
> > >
> > > We _need_ to get a release out the door.
> >
> > Wrong attitude at this point of time. We are almost there and don't need to
> > jump the gun (that's what you suggest).
> 
> i think there's a happy middle ground (see bottom for that however)
> 
> > Let's carefully review whether all showstoppers for an RC1 have been
> > solved.
> 
> of course, our show stoppers themselves are somewhat funny (as in "they smell 
> funny ... ") since last time i looked we did no have anything about the 
> keyboard shortcuts control panel not working at all (though this has had the 
> side effect of getting me used to the kde defaults again ;) while we do have 
> some pretty minor showstoppers.
> 
> that said, in plasma: 
> 
> i'm dangerously close to having resizable and movable panels. they'll be done 
> this week. multiple panels are there, xrandr works, xinerama works. taskbar 
> and systray both need bugfixes; i wont get to working on those until next 
> week, however. (i figure i only need 2 days to get the panel stuff done, 
> which means it'll take a week ;). 
> 
> then it's the Desktop folder legacy support, event related bug fixes (e.g. 
> dragging / moving icons), triaging the last feature patches (e.g. the hover 
> buttons, which are there but a bit buggy atm) and the welcome applet.
> 
> which reminds me, i'd like to remove ktip-the-application when the welcome 
> applet is added, since it will show daily tips .. and without the annoying, 
> work interupting window and without the overhead of another app starting. =)
> 
> krush days are proving really good at catching regressions as they happen as 
> well. those people hold my feet to the fire pretty good ;)
> 
> > If this is the case then I'm indeed all for releasing RC1. If this 
> > is not the case then we should either consider postponing tagging for a
> > week or we should just go for releasing Beta5 instead. At this point of
> > time it's clearly obvious that we don't need to fear that it will take
> > eternally to get KDE4 out of the door.
> >
> > I think it would be helpful if the release dude would ask the people
> 
> p.s. the "release dude" is deprecated now that we have a release team ;) but 
> yeah, someone needs to do it.
> 
> > involved with the last few showstoppers when those showstoppers will be
> > fixed. Based on that we should decide how to proceed. I remember that this
> > was done for earlier releases. It helped to make people commit themselves
> > to get the release out of the door soon while at the same time making sure
> > that we'd adhere to our quality standards.
> 
> this makes more sense to me: a ballance between "well, let's just slip the 
> date without putting any pressure on our work schedule" and "let's stick to 
> the schedule regardless of what we've accomplished".
> 
> right now i'm very concerned that right now we are letting our release dates 
> slip far too easily. because we don't really ask what is actually possible, 
> things drift. i've been as guilty of this as anyone. it has to stop. like, 
> yesterday. ;)
> 
> we should really strive to make a december release if at all possible (for so 
> many reasons which we've gone over so many times now), and that may well mean 
> a big final push.
> 

+2 for me, as this is basically what I meant, but did a pretty crappy
job of describing it.
--
Matt