New idea for Plasma's logo

[Ken Vermette]

I need to say that I was absolutely wrong, and I misread the conversation
entirely. Alex certainly didn't "bypass" anybody, and what I said was
blatantly incorrect. I apologise for the misinformation/confusion, I should
have checked things first before even suggesting what I did.

I don't want to sweep my stupidity under the rug, but I'd like to steer the
conversation back to logo design; are there any thoughts on posting a
community-oriented competition? I think it would be best if we collected a
wealth of candidates and concepts while opening the door to new potential
artists. Even if it doesn't yield a final logo, it could be a boon of ideas
which could drive a final design; we could even expressly encourage raw
sketches.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer at kde.org>
wrote:

> On 05.06.2016 13:22, Alessandro Longo wrote:
>
> Il 02-06-2016 20:47 Ken Vermette ha scritto:
>>
>> On a side note, like Thomas, I'm a little leery of the fact that
>>> you've seemingly bypassed the VDG main channel. I've done stupid
>>> things like that too (much more publicly) and I've learned that
>>> consulting with peers is important before moving up the chain with an
>>> idea.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't bypassed the VDG channel, I sent the email to visual-design
>> mailing list, I wanted to discuss there but also make plasma-devel
>> subscribers aware of it... (looking into MLs it looks to me a good
>> practice, sorry). Nobody replied into visual-design ml... Then Thomas
>> informed me that my email wasn't sent into plasma-dev (but it was on
>> visual-design since some days, I'm pretty sure about that). So OK if you
>> didn't see that, no problem. But please don't say I bypassed VDG. Recently
>> the VDG "officially" said that KDE logo has to be replaced by Plasma one
>> (in a bug report iirc) and someone replied that the VDG should discuss this
>> with Plasma team, since the topic is really important. So I think I did the
>> best thing to use both the mailing lists.
>>
>> You are right in that you did not "bypass" the VDG (which is why I did
> not use that word), because that would imply intent. I know that you did
> not mean to bypass anybody. What I do not like is that you at least
> intended to send the mail to the VDG and Plasma lists at the same time (and
> yes, I could have said that earlier). I know that even that was not with
> any malicious intent, either.
> The problem is just that this created confusion because I know that at
> least some people thought that what you presented to the Plasma list had
> already been discussed and agreed upon with the VDG. You never said that,
> but that's apparently how some people interpreted your email.
>
> So, you did not exactly do anything wrong, but in the future I'd be happy
> if you discussed ideas with the rest of the VDG and only posted on dev
> lists after we agreed on something (so that this agreed upon VDG suggestion
> could then receive dev feedback), just to avoid confusion.
>
> About the fact the Sun logo looks like a gear if used as icon for kickoff:
>> you are totally right, that's why I'd suggest to use a generic icon for
>> kickoff, not because of the Sun logo, but because I don't like the
>> tradition to use a logo into the product itself (it also makes questions:
>> it should be used the DE logo (Plasma one), the community one (KDE logo) or
>> the distribution one? That's why I suggest to avoid this decision and
>> simply use a generic "apps" icon). If generic "apps" icons will not be
>> used, I totally agree with you that the Sun logo shouldn't be used in
>> monochrome as kickoff icon.
>>
>
> You posted a screenshot from your system on Google+ [1] where you use your
> proposed logo (although not in monochrome) as a launcher icon. This might
> have added to the confusion.
>
> [1]
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/100036546744213767408/6287945369516307842
>
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