Selecting a Plasma logo

[Aleix Pol]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Andres Betts <andres.betts at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Sebas,
>
> Thanks for understanding. As I mentioned before my intention is not
> necessarily that don't change my proposal but that we can create more
> proposals to show variety. We cannot settle just on 2 orignal proposals and
> then merge the two to see what comes out. I am pretty sure there many other
> ways of giving Plasma an identity and I would love to see more.
>
> My thoughts are that we keep on getting proposals, we don't really have a
> deadline and we can probably get many more people to come up with ideas. Art
> contests are generally about original artwork.
>
> It is not about "my way or the highway" but rather, "my way or any other
> highway." Because I am sure that there are more options than just two.
>
> Should we past this and not start an argument by requesting more logo
> proposals? We need to move forward.
>
>
>
> On August 5, 2016 at 7:07:17 AM, Sebastian Kügler (sebas at kde.org) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andres,
>>
>> Sorry it took a few days to reply.
>>
>> On dinsdag 2 augustus 2016 07:45:10 CEST Andres Betts wrote:
>>
>> Let me explain the reasons about changing the logo and what stage this is
>> at. In my personal view, after working for some time on coming up with a
>> new logo proposal, we received a few comments and changes to it that, to
>> me, had no backing. One idea was shared that others wanted my proposal to
>> look closer, or have characteristics from the KDE logo.
>>
>> However, I am not of the preference of changing my proposal and adding
>> more
>> elements to it, because I thought about this long and hard and reduced the
>> proposal to the simplest of forms that conveyed a meaning. Adding elements
>> from the KDE logo, or the last Plasma logo doesn’t seem logical given that
>> the last logo really had no meaning behind it, so there is not much that
>> justifies its presence there. Some might argue that it is also about the
>> public not recognizing the logo and what it belongs to.
>>
>>
>> Well, that's not quite true. Especially the simplified arrow indicated
>> "shell",
>> something Plasma is all about. The three dots are elements for plugins,
>> scripting and (I think) containments. So the elements *do* have a meaning.
>>
>> “Changes” or modifications that happen “after” the contest is over are all
>> about simple edits. I consider my current logo to be in “beta” and only
>> bugs and simple edits could be made. For example, the thickness of a
>> border, or the sizes of the circles. I am not looking to strikingly change
>> or modify the logo I created because I consider it to be near final.
>>
>>
>> That's of course fine. My point was that if we pick a logo, and then
>> change it
>> afterwards, it's not the logo we picked. (I agree, simple edits are fine,
>> but
>> the comments weren't about simple edits, as far as understand.)
>>
>> However, if others want to make proposals that the Plasma team might like
>> better, maybe it is a better thing to create original proposals and not
>> change my proposal to be what you think should be there. If the Plasma
>> team
>> feels that my logo is not what they would like to have, then let’s not
>> modify it and find an original alternative created by different artists.
>>
>>
>> I disagree there. Plasma is a collaborative project, we do things
>> together. My
>> way of the highway is generally not the way we work, and I think it's
>> quite
>> natural to suggest changes, that is how we usually work.
>>
>> I think people may have been confused by you making the logo available
>> under a
>> license that allows changes, so we thought that it's OK to polish it some
>> more. If it isn't, that's also fine, but it explains where this confusion
>> comes
>> from.
>>
>> Personally, I find it unfortunate that you do not want any changes to the
>> logo.
>> I can undestand it, but given its basic design is quite popular, I think
>> it's
>> a shame to ask people not to change it. I respect your choice, however, so
>> I
>> guess that's how it is.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> sebas
>>
>> Sebastian Kügler • http://vizZzion.org • http://www.kde.org
>>
>

Maybe it would be interesting to have an informal call between Plasma
and you, to see why there's the feeling that something is missing in
the original idea.
Maybe it would be a better way for you to iterate your design in a
direction you're more comfortable with?

Aleix