Review Request 124005: Add week numbers to calendar - Part 2
Marco Martin
notmart at gmail.com
Tue Jun 9 16:53:16 UTC 2015
> On June 4, 2015, 9:59 a.m., Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml, line 43
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/1/?file=378756#file378756line43>
> >
> > Why not make it default?
> >
> > Yours looks much more beautiful and tidy than the old 4.x version which always confused me.
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
> "Simple by default, powerful when needed" ;) It's not a feature everyone wants/needs, but it's there when they do.
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> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> IMO, it should default to on, without an option. Weeknumbers are a pretty basic calendar feature, and most people will probably not even bother looking at the config dialogue, especially since it has never been there. It's simply a missing feature which we now add, it doesn't need to be optional.
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> It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens to find the option in the config dialog" this way, it's advertised nowhere that this feature is now available.
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> David Edmundson wrote:
> I've never used them. I'm with Martin.
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> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> I'd say bring in the usability team :)
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> David Edmundson wrote:
> effectively done: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299174#c13
> comments 13 && 14 are Heiko and Thomas
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> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> Ok then
>
> Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens to find the option in the config dialog"
>
> But that's the case with about /all/ our "powerful when needed" features, isn't it? How else would you do "powerful when needed"? And it shouldn't be decoupled from the "Simple by default" part, which this really is.
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> > it's advertised nowhere that this feature is now available.
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> Come on now, we add manymanymany new features every release, portion of which is also off by default. That's what release notes are for.
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> --
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> Anywho, from the aformentioned bug, comment by Thomas Pfeiffer:
>
> "A configuration option would definitely be helpful here, because the week number is useless for many people, but essential for many others: In many companies, week numbers are used regularly for time planning, but for people not working in such companies they're indeed pretty much meaningless."
>
> One more interesting comment by someone:
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> "I can not understand why you can configure the bejesus out of the clock, but the calendar is a immutable monolithic totem to somebody's preferred format." ...to which I have to really agree.
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> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> I'm ok with that, I trust our usability people. In my perception, weeknumbers are an essential calendar feature, but apparently they're less used outside of "my world". :)
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> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> While I have never worked in a company where week numbers matter, it's actually the most important feature I need a calender for. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but week numbers are pretty common in Germany - we even used them in school. So IMHO our usability team is wrong here.
>
> Martin Klapetek wrote:
> On contrary in Czech republic, many people even don't know that such thing exists at all. In here it's quite useless piece of information (unless in corporate environment).
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> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> so it is a cultural thing - which means a config option makes sense. The question is what way it should be. For users who need it and expect it: will they find it? For users not needing it: will it hurt being shown?
>
> Every paper calender in Germany has the week number, so not having it seems from my German perspective extremely broken.
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
> I don't think we should be arguing this - it can be different per country and we'll never agree on it. And we have estabilished "simple by default, powerful when needed" vision kindofthing. So I think we should be following that. For many people (and I dare to say 50%) week numbers are "powerful" (ie. useless). For those that do need it, check that checkbox and be done.
>
> By the way, our clock does not show date by default and I do believe that date is actually way more important than week number.
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> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> Well, space is at a premium in the panel, so all kinds of assumptions that are true for the calendar do not hold in the panel.
In Italy is not much common in calendars at home, however in office environments without week numbers you're screwed. in office environments I think is also more globally needed, less regarding to the locale.
so +1 to just enable it
- Marco
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On June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m., Martin Klapetek wrote:
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> (Updated June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m.)
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> Review request for Plasma.
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> Repository: plasma-workspace
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> Description
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> One of the most requested features for Plasma5. This is the applet's part (basically just the config).
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> See https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124004/ for part 1 and screenshot.
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> Another part will be the (standalone) Calendar applet.
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> Diffs
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> applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml 5237160
> applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/CalendarView.qml b5a080b
> applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/configAppearance.qml 669b1cc
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> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/
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> Testing
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> Thanks,
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> Martin Klapetek
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