Review Request 124005: Add week numbers to calendar - Part 2

Thu Jun 4 22:17:06 UTC 2015

> On June 4, 2015, 9:59 a.m., Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml, line 43
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/1/?file=378756#file378756line43>
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> >     Why not make it default?
> >     
> >     Yours looks much more beautiful and tidy than the old 4.x version which always confused me.
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
>     "Simple by default, powerful when needed" ;) It's not a feature everyone wants/needs, but it's there when they do.
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> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>     IMO, it should default to on, without an option. Weeknumbers are a pretty basic calendar feature, and most people will probably not even bother looking at the config dialogue, especially since it has never been there. It's simply a missing feature which we now add, it doesn't need to be optional.
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>     It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens to find the option in the config dialog" this way, it's advertised nowhere that this feature is now available.
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> David Edmundson wrote:
>     I've never used them. I'm with Martin.
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> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
>     I'd say bring in the usability team :)
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> David Edmundson wrote:
>     effectively done: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299174#c13
>     comments 13 && 14 are Heiko and Thomas
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> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
>     Ok then
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
>     > It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens to find the option in the config dialog"
>     
>     But that's the case with about /all/ our "powerful when needed" features, isn't it? How else would you do "powerful when needed"? And it shouldn't be decoupled from the "Simple by default" part, which this really is.
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>     > it's advertised nowhere that this feature is now available.
>     
>     Come on now, we add manymanymany new features every release, portion of which is also off by default. That's what release notes are for.
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>     --
>     
>     Anywho, from the aformentioned bug, comment by Thomas Pfeiffer:
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>     "A configuration option would definitely be helpful here, because the week number is useless for many people, but essential for many others: In many companies, week numbers are used regularly for time planning, but for people not working in such companies they're indeed pretty much meaningless."
>     
>     One more interesting comment by someone:
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>     "I can not understand why you can configure the bejesus out of the clock, but the calendar is a immutable monolithic totem to somebody's preferred format." ...to which I have to really agree.
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> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
>     I'm ok with that, I trust our usability people. In my perception, weeknumbers are an essential calendar feature, but apparently they're less used outside of "my world". :)
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> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>     While I have never worked in a company where week numbers matter, it's actually the most important feature I need a calender for. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but week numbers are pretty common in Germany - we even used them in school. So IMHO our usability team is wrong here.
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
>     On contrary in Czech republic, many people even don't know that such thing exists at all. In here it's quite useless piece of information (unless in corporate environment).
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> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>     so it is a cultural thing - which means a config option makes sense. The question is what way it should be. For users who need it and expect it: will they find it? For users not needing it: will it hurt being shown?
>     
>     Every paper calender in Germany has the week number, so not having it seems from my German perspective extremely broken.
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> Martin Klapetek wrote:
>     I don't think we should be arguing this - it can be different per country and we'll never agree on it. And we have estabilished "simple by default, powerful when needed" vision kindofthing. So I think we should be following that. For many people (and I dare to say 50%) week numbers are "powerful" (ie. useless). For those that do need it, check that checkbox and be done.
>     
>     By the way, our clock does not show date by default and I do believe that date is actually way more important than week number.

Well, space is at a premium in the panel, so all kinds of assumptions that are true for the calendar do not hold in the panel.

- Sebastian

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On June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m., Martin Klapetek wrote:
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> (Updated June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m.)
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> Review request for Plasma.
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> Repository: plasma-workspace
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> Description
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> One of the most requested features for Plasma5. This is the applet's part (basically just the config).
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> See https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124004/ for part 1 and screenshot.
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> Another part will be the (standalone) Calendar applet.
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> Diffs
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>   applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml 5237160 
>   applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/CalendarView.qml b5a080b 
>   applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/configAppearance.qml 669b1cc 
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> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/
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> Testing
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> Thanks,
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> Martin Klapetek
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