Continued: milou/kickoff/whatever menu

[Shantanu Tushar Jha]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Vishesh Handa <me at vhanda.in> wrote:

> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:53:16 AM Marco Martin wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I know the discussion was already pretty long :/ but we have to continue
> it.
> >
> > To recap the issue, is to not have too many ways to search stuff, to
> give a
> > good unified design direction and to decrease what's called the "gulf of
> > execution"
>
> Sure. If that is actually the issue. I honestly don't see anything wrong
> with
> having multiple places to search. Also, if you really want to go down this
> track then one could argue for mapping Alt + F2 to Kickoff instead of
> krunner.
>

Well you don't want users to search for where to search, right?

>
> > i.e. deciding what's the type of thing i have to search, therefore where
> i
> > have to click in order to search it, this slowes down the process.
> >
> > (to be clear, I think milou is awsome and my dream would be to have
> *only*
> > that without any start menu nonsense, but we recently seen a certain
> > operating system that tried to remove the start menu and we know how well
> > it ended ;)
> >
>
> We clearly need to address both search and browsing of applications.
>
> Though I don't think the lesson from windows should be that "start menus
> are
> always required". The lesson could be that different UIs are better suited
> for
> different tasks. We in KDE are doing a good job of keeping that in mind.
>
> > So, i tried to see how kickoff would look if we try to integrate milou
> into
> > it, the result is in the branch
> > mart/balookickoff in he repo plasma-desktop, open to testing/feedback/etc
> > (even if it doesn't get used in the end, is a good guinea pig)
> >
> > so here is how it looks:
> > * the search field is always visible: the magic type to search was
> > considered an inconsistency, unless it becomes a common pattern in KDE:
> > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopYr1734.png
> >
> > * i tried with just stuffing the milou search results in it, indeed
> looks a
> > bit inconsistent:
> > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopif1734.png
> >
>
> Maybe you want to try it out with Baloo for KF5 installed? That way you'll
> get
> more search results - http://wstaw.org/w/2DTN/
>
> > * so, let's try to use the kickoff delegates instead:
> > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopQZ1734.png
> >
> > * but wait, now very few results fit in the window.. let's try to zoom
> out:
> > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopNl1734.png
> >
> > so now, the status of master is that it shows small results as in the
> last
> > screenshot, if there are many, if there are few, (less than 10 atm, may
> > become more dynamic) it shows bigger delegates as in the second to last
> > result. besides looking more consistent, it also shows a good feedback to
> > "you narrowed the search" , you "zoomed in"
> >
> > comments? ;)
>
> It's doesn't look bad, but it is inconsistent.
>
> How about we take a step back and re-evaluate all of this after this
> initial
> release? We had discussed on the sprint how we would re-evaluate the
> default
> launcher (homerun-kicker vs normal kicker). We can also talk about how we
> want
> to best integrate the search experience in Plasma.
>
> --
> Vishesh Handa
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