<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Vishesh Handa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@vhanda.in" target="_blank">me@vhanda.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:53:16 AM Marco Martin wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
> I know the discussion was already pretty long :/ but we have to continue it.<br>
><br>
> To recap the issue, is to not have too many ways to search stuff, to give a<br>
> good unified design direction and to decrease what's called the "gulf of<br>
> execution"<br>
<br>
</div>Sure. If that is actually the issue. I honestly don't see anything wrong with<br>
having multiple places to search. Also, if you really want to go down this<br>
track then one could argue for mapping Alt + F2 to Kickoff instead of krunner.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well you don't want users to search for where to search, right? <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><br>
> i.e. deciding what's the type of thing i have to search, therefore where i<br>
> have to click in order to search it, this slowes down the process.<br>
><br>
> (to be clear, I think milou is awsome and my dream would be to have *only*<br>
> that without any start menu nonsense, but we recently seen a certain<br>
> operating system that tried to remove the start menu and we know how well<br>
> it ended ;)<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>We clearly need to address both search and browsing of applications.<br>
<br>
Though I don't think the lesson from windows should be that "start menus are<br>
always required". The lesson could be that different UIs are better suited for<br>
different tasks. We in KDE are doing a good job of keeping that in mind.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> So, i tried to see how kickoff would look if we try to integrate milou into<br>
> it, the result is in the branch<br>
> mart/balookickoff in he repo plasma-desktop, open to testing/feedback/etc<br>
> (even if it doesn't get used in the end, is a good guinea pig)<br>
><br>
> so here is how it looks:<br>
> * the search field is always visible: the magic type to search was<br>
> considered an inconsistency, unless it becomes a common pattern in KDE:<br>
> <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopYr1734.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopYr1734.png</a><br>
><br>
> * i tried with just stuffing the milou search results in it, indeed looks a<br>
> bit inconsistent:<br>
> <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopif1734.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopif1734.png</a><br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Maybe you want to try it out with Baloo for KF5 installed? That way you'll get<br>
more search results - <a href="http://wstaw.org/w/2DTN/" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/w/2DTN/</a><br>
<div class=""><br>
> * so, let's try to use the kickoff delegates instead:<br>
> <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopQZ1734.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopQZ1734.png</a><br>
><br>
> * but wait, now very few results fit in the window.. let's try to zoom out:<br>
> <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopNl1734.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopNl1734.png</a><br>
><br>
> so now, the status of master is that it shows small results as in the last<br>
> screenshot, if there are many, if there are few, (less than 10 atm, may<br>
> become more dynamic) it shows bigger delegates as in the second to last<br>
> result. besides looking more consistent, it also shows a good feedback to<br>
> "you narrowed the search" , you "zoomed in"<br>
><br>
> comments? ;)<br>
<br>
</div>It's doesn't look bad, but it is inconsistent.<br>
<br>
How about we take a step back and re-evaluate all of this after this initial<br>
release? We had discussed on the sprint how we would re-evaluate the default<br>
launcher (homerun-kicker vs normal kicker). We can also talk about how we want<br>
to best integrate the search experience in Plasma.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Vishesh Handa<br>
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