QML Placces design discussion

[Mark]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Aurélien Gâteau <agateau at kde.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:11:13 +0100, Mark wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Aurélien Gâteau <agateau at kde.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:40:15 +0100, Marco Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That would probably be the best way i guess.
>>>>> But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager
>>>>> during the 4.10 cycle. I can hardly imagine that to be the intention?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a simple QML one liner.. If you want i can commit the change
>>>>> (as posted a few posts back) to 4.10..
>>>>>
>>>>> When i brought this issue up in RB and moved it to this list i was
>>>>> actually expecting a reply like: "Ohh, we introduced a new pager in
>>>>> 4.10 that occupies space without putting anything in it by default.
>>>>> Lets fix that asap." But there is nothing like that. Like you guys
>>>>> just don't see it as an issue.. Why is that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i wouldn't be against not shipping the pager by default.
>>>> there is just one thing that doesn't sound about right.
>>>> should also be easy to go back to multiple desktop, and if the pager is
>>>> not
>>>> there, then the user can easiuly increase the number of desktops in
>>>> systemsettings, but then doesn't get any pager and looks like setting
>>>> that
>>>> option didn't have any effects (i can already sense bug reports for that
>>>> :p)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since the virtual desktop kcm is already shown from within the pager
>>> applet
>>> configuration dialog, maybe it can simply be removed from systemsettings?
>>> This
>>> way the only way to configure virtual desktops is through the pager
>>> applet,
>>> which means it has to be present.
>>
>>
>> I'm just going to assume you're making a joke here.
>>
>> In case you're not: bad idea!
>
> Do you have arguments to back this bold claim?

Sure. I've opened this topic to improve the pager for default usage:
- Show it even when you have just one VD to fix my usecase. Which is very valid.

That's the intention and that hasn't changed. Apparently most of you
seem to disagree here. Apparently i'm the only one that dislikes
having an empty space shown by default..

For me the default pager simply doesn't work. So i'm obviously not in
favor of moving anything out of system settings and in the pager as
long as the defaults aren't even workable (for me).

What are you using for a setup anyway? Single display i suppose? If
so, i ask you to hook up 3 displays and put your VD's to 1. Drag an
application to your third display and close the app. Now turn the
third window off and open the same app again. It will open on the
monitor that is off. Now you will likely find out how "inconvenient"
this pager is. It's quite width and not showing anything at all.


@Martin
You comment about "an ancient relic" somehow makes a lot of sense :)
If that's the case and the desktop grid is the future then why don't
we just drop the pager completely (as in to /dev/null) and write a
completely new "pager" that exposes desktop grid functionality? This
seems a bit apple like but sounds very appealing to me.