[Plasma] looks and usability of applet handle frame

[pinheiro]

A Friday 27 June 2008 23:46:01, pinheiro escreveu:
> A Friday 27 June 2008 22:39:45, Marco Martin escreveu:
> > On Friday 27 June 2008, pinheiro wrote:
> > > A Friday 27 June 2008 19:27:07, Celeste Lyn Paul escreveu:
> > >
> > > well I propose this anser, its a slide isn and out themable box, that
> > > can old several butons
> > > i propose move rotate resize control and close,
> > > a plasmoid can set if he wants to have them all or just a couple of
> > > them.
> > >
> > > http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/image5906.png
> >
> > oh, a thing it come up on my mynd only now:
> > how to do the one for plasmoids that don't have a standard shape like the
> > analog clock?
>
> thats the fun part this lutle thingy is a kinda sign post that comes from
> the center abit aligned to the side...
>
> I aslo thought it would be best that he conservs its position wenn rotated
> I meen horzontal aperence so the icons dont get rotated
>
> I gess i will need to mock it aswell :)

OK to the question posed above... the plasmoid should be able to set the seed 
point were the tiny panel comes from, also wen scaling a plasmoid you can not 
scale it to be smaler that the tiny pannelm, or we will get some realy not so 
good efects like the frame being biger than the plasmoid.

http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/image590.png

I also provide a litle mng were you can see the animation it can be improved 
with a more natural movment... 
http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/1.mng

about the rotated version I'm biased on that one ... strating to think its 
beter to rotate it aswell.... 

> > Cheers,
> > Marco Martin
> >
> > > > I´m not sure if on-click interaction is consistent in all widgets. 
> > > > For example, most widgets have click and drag but for the Digital
> > > > Clock widget, click opens the calendar.  It is not click-and-drag to
> > > > move like the other widgets.  I only have the 10 widgets that come by
> > > > default, but I imagine there are other exceptions.
> > > >
> > > > The question becomes: should the on-click interaction be the same for
> > > > all widgets (then we can think about your proposal more)?  Otherwise
> > > > we have to stick with the border interaction.
> > > >
> > > > Truthfully I´m not too comfortable with the inconsistent interaction
> > > > because it requires you to learn idiosyncracies of each widget
> > > > instead of class-level interaction.  Are there any widgets where it
> > > > makes sense that click does something else (like open the calendar in
> > > > Digital Clock). Making interaction with widgets consistent should be
> > > > a goal, regardless if the
> > > > function/configure icons stay in the same place or are adjusted
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 27 June 2008 07:05:18 Ismael Asensio wrote:
> > > > > Here it goes my proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > Use icons over the plasmoid itself avoiding the extra handle frame.
> > > > > The feel of these icons would be pretty much like those on old
> > > > > amaroker plugin for kicker.
> > > > >
> > > > > All icons are desaturated (ala cashew) but still recognizable,
> > > > > until the mouse goes over one of them. This icon "recovers the
> > > > > color" with an animation (sorry for the untechnical expresion) and
> > > > > it's ready to be clicked by the user. Of course, this behaviour
> > > > > only happens when the desktop components are unlocked, and I'm
> > > > > supposing that in this state the user only wants to play with the
> > > > > layout of plasmoids, not to interact with them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every action can be place in a different corner of the plasmoid, to
> > > > > help easy recognition, not only by the icon, but by its position.
> > > > > You can easily remember that, for example, rotation is low-left
> > > > > corner and changing size is low-right, etc. The center of the
> > > > > plasmoid (greater area, easy to click) can be set for dragging the
> > > > > plasmoid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Visually, it could be like the image attached. Sorry for the
> > > > > HORRIBLE HORRIBLE mock-up. It's done in a quick&dirty way with MS
> > > > > paint at job office... but I hope it helps to get the idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2008/6/27 Loïc Marteau <loic.marteau at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > Hello !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry if this has already been talked but i would like to open a
> > > > > > thread about the frame draws by the applet handle.
> > > > > > For people wo doesn't know well plasma terminology I talk about
> > > > > > the configuration frame who appears when mouse is over a plasmoid
> > > > > > so the user can resize, rotate, configure or move the plasmoid on
> > > > > > the Desktop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My personal opinion is that this frame is not very pretty and
> > > > > > that there is not interest to make it an entire frame around the
> > > > > > applet. So I feel that it disturbs the user visually and
> > > > > > functionally speaking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps we can :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    * just keep the small area who contains the icons, and add a
> > > > > > move icon. * better imho to a maximum reduce the visual pollution
> > > > > > : add a cashew for that ! on the top right corner of each applets
> > > > > > o The cashew let appears icons and text for each possible action
> > > > > > when mouse is over the cashew and not on mouse click so we don't
> > > > > > need to make one more click than before for doing the same thing.
> > > > > >          o Like first solution, add a move icon.
> > > > > >    * Other ideas...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think about ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Loic
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