[Bug 165781] I am unable to do any of the exciting things Arron and other s blogs lead me to believe is in KDE 4

[tracyanne]

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------- Additional Comments From kde.1.tracyanne spamgourmet com  2008-07-06 01:42 -------
I've looked at the various icons things you have there, I'm not at all
interested in having Icons on my desktop, so even bigger ones don't
really impress me.

I've gone to the tools option on the icon things, the image of a spanner
says to me toolbox, and there is no substantial functionality available
there.

Suse must have this pretty damn well hidden, as I've been through every
option on the menu system, and I can't find anything that looks even
remotely like a tool box for managing these new icons

And by the way the Kickoff menu is a mistake. I have new computer users
who are completly bewildered by it, who when presented with the Classic
menu go "oh, that makes sense, I can find everything now", this in spite
of the fact that the Kickoff menu doesn't present them with as many
mouse usage challenges.

Ok lets see now. These icon things that are available. There's the one
that is on the desktop by default. You click on the image of a spanner
that on this bit that inconsistantly pops out one side or another, and
sometimes disappears when you mouse over the area. a window pops up and
it has two radio buttons a textbox and a file dialog, and a filtered
textbox. So now I can choose between shoing the desktop folder and a
different folder, and I can search to show specific files or folders. I
can't do anything useful with it, it either sits on my desktop, bigger
or smaller, taking up space. I may as well have the icons on the desktop
3.5.9 style.

Then there's the Analogue clock, I get a clock sitting on my desktop, if
I click on it I get a calendar, I click on the spanner image to find the
toolbox and I get the option to set the time and date and select one or
more time zones. I get tha functionality alreadey in 3.5.9, and I don't
have to have this giant icon sitting on my desktop.

I could go on.

Each and every one of the things available leaves me with a giant icon
sitting on my desktop. I was really looking forward to something really
new and exciting, I've been waiting for this since the project was first
announced. But what we have is something that I can't recommend to my
new Linux/new computer users, they find the Kickoff menu frustrating and
obscure. They can see where things are on the Classic menu. Imagine what
they will do when presented with a giant icon that has a popout side
that sometime displays image buttons on one side and sometimes another,
that sometimes disappears when you mouse over it. 

And then there's this Zoom In/Zoom Out thing at the top right hand
corner that makes the desktop wallpaper bigger and smaller, what's the
point of that?

I read in your blog that one could configure these icons things, these
plasmoids in such a way that one could, for example have different
desktops kitted out in different ways. I really like that idea, It's a
neat extension to what I already do on 3.5.9, where I have desktops that
I use for different things - only there really is no diffentiation
possible except to change the desktop colour/background image and
locking an application to that desktop. Currently I either have to use
the standard desktop icons or none at at all, which makes no sense in
the case of some of the desktops. So I go looking for this wonderful
functionality you blogged about, and I can't find it, it's not there,
the functionality available on the plasmoids is minimal to say the
least.


The only customisation functionality I can find is that which is already
available in 3.5.9. If there is any new functionality, it is so well
hidden I can't find it, and as it stands I see nothing about KDE 4 that
makes it any more desirable or usable than 3.5.9.

regards

tracyanne


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Subject: [Bug 165781] I am unable to do any of the exciting things Arron
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Date: 5 Jul 2008 17:22:06 -0000

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------- Additional Comments From aseigo kde org  2008-07-05 19:21 -------
Tracy, while closing this report was indeed the right thing to do (it is completely free of actionable content), i'd like to add a few things:

a) everything we've been talking about it is indeed right there in the code

b) we've provided a fairly "traditional" experience as the default, and even that isn't traditional enough for some. we had to provide a working replacement for what was there otherwise we'd have lots and lots of unhappy people. as i noted, it still isn't conservative for some

d) suse does to go great pains to make things look even more conservative, as they feel that's what their audience wants

c) i suggest you try out some of the other available widgets

d) part of your problem is the lack of user documentation helping you find the various things (e.g. panel customization)

e) if you have *specific* features/ideas/etc that you are looking for that you saw in our blogs, then please feel free to drop an email to panel-devel kde org asking about them. if you do, show up with a professional attitude and you'll get a professional response.