[Panel-devel] Kickoff / KDE 4

[Riccardo Iaconelli]

On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:17:37 Robert Knight wrote:
> Hi Riccardo,
>
> The simplest answer is that the Kickoff works, now.  The aim was to
> have an implementation of a tried and tested design which could ship
> with Beta 3.
>
> What I remember from the last IRC meeting and from talking to Siraj
> was that Raptor was not going to be ready for the next beta
> (originally due for tommorrow, now due next week).  I offered to
> investigate Kickoff as a solution until then, and this is what I have
> done.

Ok, that's pretty good, thanks for the explanation, and thanks for having kept 
your answer under a rationale and calm tone. I would have understood you if 
you would have answered badly, as I wrote a very defensive e-mail, and I'm 
sorry for that.

>
> > (and given that kickoff has seems
> > to have some technical problems, speed is the main complaint actually
> > from the guys using opensuse).
>
> I did not discuss this in depth with others at Akademy although I have
> heard Kickoff (KDE 3) described as "feeling heavy" in passing.  I
> don't know exactly what the perceived problems are, but I get the
> impression that they are implementation issues rather than a
> fundamental design flaw.  I am happy to talk to OpenSuSE users and
> developers for their opinions on the current Kickoff.
> The big advantage here is that there are lots of users I can talk to
> and seek opinions from.  There have been some small design changes
> between the first version of Kickoff and the current version, and I
> will look to incorporate those changes in the KDE 4 version.
>
> To clarify again though, this is not the KDE 3 code ported we are
> talking about, but a from-scratch implementation with KDE 4 / Qt 4
> frameworks.

Thanks a lot for this explanation. Now it's much more clear to me about what's 
going on, it wasn't so clear before.

As you said it in the mail beginning the thread, the kickoff rewrote looked 
(to me at least) like just a mere try to dismiss all the work that went on on 
raptor. And it sounded to me more like a personal attack to the raptor 
developers rather than everything else... that's why my answer was so much 
defensive. So, I'm sorry if I sounded agressive.

So, now that I seem to have understood the whole thing, please correct me if 
I'm still wrong. You're just trying to make a menu basing on the kickoff 
experience, not to get rid of raptor, but just to be sure to have a 
functional menu for the next beta. =)
Obviously, it also means having a chance of choosing the shipping menu for 4.0 
basing on the readiness of the projects, and without being forced to stick to 
one project. =)

I'm really sorry if I reacted that way, I thought that it was a "pushing my 
pet project instead of helping the main thing", but as I already said I seem 
to have completely forgotten everything about a menu discussion, and I'm 
thinking that for next times logs are a good thing to keep. ;-)

Thanks again for the explanation and I congratulate with you for your great 
work then. =)

Bye,
-Riccardo
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