[Owncloud] The endless github privacy policy war

Thomas Müller thomas.mueller at tmit.eu
Fri Dec 7 18:28:56 UTC 2012

I'd really love to see you all investing your time and energy into fixing bugs:

In case you need a smooth and easy starter to get into coding - we have 'Junior Jobs' as well:

Take care,


Please refrain from hitting the reply button and tell me: 'I'd like but I can because you are on github'
I don't care - THX

Am Freitag, dem 07.12.2012 um 18:52 schrieb MJ Ray:
> Marcel Waldvogel <marcel.waldvogel at uni-konstanz.de>
> > I'm starting a new thread, as it was definitely way off-topic.
> I'd taken it off-list, but I'll do as you wish.
> > Please, Simon, calm down!
> Seemed quite calm to me.  Bit grumpy maybe, but that's understandable.
> > It is very easy to fill in the registration form with something that
> > makes the github syntax checker happy. What is the problem?
> This is at least the second advice that people breach github's terms
> by creating an account valid-looking-but-fake data.
> I believe that's dishonest and I don't want to be dishonest here.
> Less morally, doing so would mean Github could delete the account and
> all data connected to it with impunity - including any bugs reported.
> Would that be good for anyone?
> > Privacy probably is not an issue either, because you are sending it
> > all over the world on this mailing list.
> Well, we don't even know if his name is Simon... but why does that
> matter to anyone?  It's no more or less a bug if his name is Sheila.
> > [...] I am very astonished at how calm the developers react here; I
> > know my tone would not be as nice towards stubborn people trying to
> > make my life hard and miserable.
> I agree.  I am glad that everyone keeps calm, but can we see both
> sides?  I'm surprised that those who value their privacy are keeping
> fairly calm, especially when facing this in a project that is promoted
> with great headlines like "My requirements: 1. all data under my
> control. [...]"  (from ownCloud - CampKDE 2011 presentation by Frank
> Karlitschek on May 25, 2011).  It's not surprising that some people
> get a bit grumpy when this owncloud project encourages them to give
> data to github, is it?
> When the move to github first happened, some put their concerns aside
> because there were assurances that issues could be reported to the
> list and forum instead. Examples:
> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/owncloud/2012-October/006104.html
> http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4537&p=10981#p10981
> So if that compromise could remain and the github fans could just
> resist the temptation to suggest everyone else agrees to github terms,
> I expect we'd keep rubbing along nicely.
> > PS: I hope we can conclude this "endless war" soon, despite my choice of title :-)
> Me too.
> Regards,
> -- 
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