[Owncloud] Gsoc proposal
Mario Đanić
mario.danic at gmail.com
Wed Apr 4 16:38:59 UTC 2012
The problem I see is that while you are underestimating the task of writing
a proper collaborative editor. Did you look into libinfinity from Gobby at
least, and perhaps the chance to revive their javascript implementation if
*nothing* else?
Yes, I have seen the similar discussion come up about technologies,
minimalism etc when I suggested a proper mail app in the OwnCloud - I think
its a matter of preference. Sure, make
things optional, but rather than reinventing things which are IMHO not
trivial, I'd always opt
for re-using the technology the giants before us wrote.
Cheers,
Mario
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 18:19, Florian Hülsmann <fh at cbix.de> wrote:
> > For realtime editing you could just use libredocs.org
> Well, you can't be sure the data you send to the hosted backend is safe
> there. This may be really important for companies using an ownCloud for
> (collaborative) project work.
>
>
> > As for the Realtime backend. That's not the goal.
> Users should be able to have 100% control over the data, so it would be
> awesome if the realtime backend _is_ integrated in ownCloud.
>
> But yeah, I know PHP is definitively _not_ made for Comet applications :(
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Florian
>
> Am 04.04.2012 17:34, schrieb Michael Grosser:
>
>> For realtime editing you could just use libredocs.org
>> <http://libredocs.org> (hosted node.js backend with some nice and
>>
>> developing capabilites) and use your owncloud storage as storage backend.
>> Your data, minimal setup, great realtime editing etherpad style.
>> As was already said, don't reinvent the wheel.
>>
>> As for the Realtime backend. That's not the goal.
>> Owncloud should be the storage backend. The realtime communication
>> should be separated from the storage.
>> But you can take a closer look at remoteStorage.org for that.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bartek Przybylski <bart.p.pl at gmail.com
>> <mailto:bart.p.pl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 4 kwietnia 2012 17:14 użytkownik Nils Jansen
>> <nilsjansen at gmail.com <mailto:nilsjansen at gmail.com>> napisał:
>>
>> >> we dont want to introduce any new dependencies
>> >
>> > That would mean we dont want real time editing. We need some sort of
>> > push capabilities on server side. Otherwise it would be very laggy
>> to
>> > do ajax-refreshs every second.
>>
>> We have OC_Eventsource for that, altho some tweaks inside its
>> mechanism would be needed
>>
>> >
>> > Nils
>> >
>> > Am 4. April 2012 15:17 schrieb Florian Hülsmann <fh at cbix.de
>> <mailto:fh at cbix.de>>:
>>
>> >> Hello Viraj,
>> >>
>> >> I'm deeply interested in your project :D
>> >>
>> >> Wouldn't it be possible to split it into a backend (the
>> collaboration part)
>> >> and a frontend (text editor), so other apps can also use the
>> backend? I
>> >> think of collaborative drawing with my SVG editor app (see
>> >> http://ocsvg.cbix.de) and other cool stuff (real-time
>> multiplayer games
>> >> etc.)!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, I wish you the very best for it!
>> >>
>> >> Florian
>> >>
>> >> Am 04.04.2012 11:49, schrieb Tom Needham:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Personally I don't see the point of re-inventing everything
>> under the
>> >>>> sun. But
>> >>>> whatever :)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> That is also true, however it is very important that owncloud
>> runs on a
>> >>> minimal server configuration and is easy for users to install.
>> For this
>> >>> reason I think it is acceptable to 'create' a collaborative
>> editor for
>> >>> owncloud.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Tom
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom Needham
>> >>> tom at owncloud.com <mailto:tom at owncloud.com>
>> <mailto:tom at owncloud.com <mailto:tom at owncloud.com>>
>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 4 Apr 2012, at 10:34, Mario Đanić <mario.danic at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com>
>> >>> <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com>**>>
>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Personally I don't see the point of re-inventing everything
>> under the
>> >>>> sun. But
>> >>>> whatever :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:15, Bartek Przybylski
>> <bart.p.pl at gmail.com <mailto:bart.p.pl at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:bart.p.pl at gmail.com <mailto:bart.p.pl at gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> W dniu 4 kwietnia 2012 11:09 użytkownik Mario Đanić
>> >>>> <mario.danic at gmail.com <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com <mailto:mario.danic at gmail.com>**>>
>> napisał:
>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Better option would be to integrate Etherpad Lite, aka the new
>> >>>> Etherpad.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> etherpad is written for node.js afaik, owncloud is php/js
>> we dont want
>> >>>> to introduce any new dependencies.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Cheers,
>> >>>> > Mario
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 01:12, viraj sinha
>> <virajssinha at gmail.com <mailto:virajssinha at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:virajssinha at gmail.com <mailto:virajssinha at gmail.com>**>>
>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hello Bartek,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I wish to be applying for Gsoc project titled "Collaboration
>> >>>> rich text
>> >>>> >> document editor" under owncloud and kde. I have made a draft
>> >>>> proposal and
>> >>>> >> need your valuable feedbacks. Please go through it and tell me
>> >>>> about the
>> >>>> >> changes that i need to make. The proposal is at-
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/**document/d/**1uUeWetzJtn9P9Iu1MJwvJAQQiJDv9*
>> *djxKcQkPItvaek/edit<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uUeWetzJtn9P9Iu1MJwvJAQQiJDv9djxKcQkPItvaek/edit>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'll check it today evening
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> I would be obliged, if others could have a look, and let me
>> know if
>> >>>> >> there is anything that is missing, or something that I should
>> >>>> elaborate
>> >>>> >> upon.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Thanks a ton! :-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> Regards
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Viraj Sinha
>> >>>> >> Mitbuzz Developer
>> >>>> >> Third Monkey Labs
>> >>>> >> Dept of Comp Sc
>> >>>> >> MIT,Manipal
>> >>>> >>
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>> >> --
>> >> Florian Hülsmann
>> >> <fh at cbix.de <mailto:fh at cbix.de>>
>>
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