[Owncloud] Is Owncloud still a KDE project? - Was: Re: Business and Backup Sprint in Zurich - Oct 21 to 23

Mon Sep 26 09:39:25 UTC 2011

Didn't know that the KDE ev. had decided this - however it's still a silly controlling descision.
There is no reason (technical or ethical) for us not being able to use the @kde mailing-list. It is still a KDE project that contributes to KDE being much more portable.

I also contribute to KDE ev. by having "joined the game" - but I think KDE ev. supporting owncloud (being the part KDE that it is) would make a lot of sense. As "Joining the game" is a passive donation-membership I don't have any influence on the actual descision.

I think there are practical technical solutions to this problem. Especially since git is non-centralistic.

-Pascal

On 26-09-2011 11:14, Cody Rose wrote:
>> I think it's a horribly excluding attitude by the otherwise appreciated
>> sys-admins. We are a kde-project but we're also something else.
>> What about getting the "full kde-package" which is sort of silly and just
>> place a link in git to gitorious? It's silly but really the "It's all or
>> nothing" is also silly.
>> Otherwise asking the KDE ev. would also be a possibility - we are kind of a
>> new project.
> The KDE Sysadmin's do not write the policy but only enforce it. Second of all
> the policy was created by KDE e.V. which is made up of all the KDE Developers.
>
> The policy exists to ensure that ALL KDE projects are in ONE place. Period.
>
> This makes life so much simpler for distribution packagers and users alike.
> You would not enjoy the results if each distro packager had to go hunting for
> the latest code / release in 100 different repo's all over the web. This allows
> for code security in that each packager can be sure he is grabbing the real
> deal for his users. The policy also allows KDE to track all code contributions
> for licensing purposes to ensure that the proper people are credited and if a
> licensing issue ever arose that KDE e.V. can attempt to reach every last KDE
> developer is a timely fashion.
>
> The policy also means that any new OwnCloud developer would have git access
> for more then just OwnCloud. They benefit by being able to contribute to all of
> KDE in one central place if they so choose. Otherwise they can register as a
> KDE developer and only contribute to Owncloud if that is all they would like
> to do. This is turn benefits KDE developers, packagers, users, e.V. etc but
> basically the entire KDE eco-system benefits from this policy.
>
> As a person that financially contributes to KDE e.V. I welcome this policy and
> do not want to see any 'special privileged' project that gets to benefit from
> my donation but doesn't conform to the rest of KDE standards. It is always
> easier to say NO then allow for a special exception. It's never just one
> special exception because eventually another will pop up.
>
> I do not see how a KDE git repo restricts users in any way. You can freely
> pull any project from anongit.kde.org and any user is welcome to register as a
> KDE dev or submit a patch on this ML if he/she feels it is a one time
> contribution. The long term hope is that the one time contributor will see the
> value of becoming a KDE developer and in the future contribute to other KDE
> projects.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cody Rose
> Datacenter NOC&  Sys Admin
>
>> On 26-09-2011 10:10, Cody Rose wrote:
>>> Is Owncloud still a KDE project or did you guys finally decide against
>>> remaining a 'KDE' project?
>>>
>>>> * contacting/coordinating with KDE e.V. for travel allowance (what about
>>>> food?)
>>> I don't think this will be much help if Owncloud decided to remove itself
>>> as a KDE project.
>>>
>>> Also if Owncloud is on its own has anyone coordinate with getting a new
>>> Mailing-List setup for October 1?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Cody Rose
>>> Datacenter NOC&   Sys Admin
>>>
>>>> Re: [Owncloud] Notice concerning use of KDE Infrastructure and move to
>>>> Gitorious
>>>> 09/02/11 3:17 AM
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately that won't be possible. You can not randomly pick KDE
>>>> infrastructure items you like and only use them. It's all or nothing.
>>>> You can't say that you are 'still KDE afterall' when you just decided
>>>> to move to gitorious.
>>>>
>>>> Besides that, this is confusing for both developers and users.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Albers
>>>> KDE Sysadmin
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> we no longer need the kde git repo and bugzilla.
>>>> But we would still like to use the mailinglist. We are still KDE
>>>> afterall. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Not sure about the wiki pages at the moment. We will look into this.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the confusion.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> On 02.09.2011, at 09:57, Tom Albers wrote:
>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> That means we close the owncloud bugtracker, mailinglist,
>>>>> wiki-pages, etc. Shall we pick a date for that, assuming you need
>>>>> a bit of time to move stuff over.. Let's say october 1st?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Albers
>>>>> KDE Sysadmin
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Real life (tm) has been quite busy lately. That's why it has taken a bit
>>>> longer than planed to get to you with news about the owncloud sprint in
>>>> Zurich.
>>>> So far 5 ownclouders and 3 "externals" (including myself) have confirmed
>>>> their attendance. If you plan to come but haven't added yourself to the
>>>> doodle yet, please do so now
>>>> http://www.doodle.com/kxq9ye85bu52niyg
>>>>
>>>> The hacking room is reserved and I'm currently looking for beds and
>>>> sofas for you to sleep. So far so good.
>>>>
>>>> Now I need your help to work out the details, including...
>>>> * contacting/coordinating with KDE e.V. for travel allowance (what about
>>>> food?)
>>>> * planing the schedule (where/how do we do that? Titanpad?)
>>>> * all the things I haven't though about yet (I have no experience in
>>>> organizing sprints)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Pascal
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