[Owncloud] Email handling in ownCloud

[Robin Appelman]

Yes, but email isn't simple,
no matter how much we want it, there currently isn't a viable way for
us to provide a complete mail solution.


- Robin Appelman



On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 21:42, Nicolas Le Manchet
<nicolas.le.manchet at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> yes the idea around OC is to keep it simple, but also to make your data
> being YOUR data. Having a simple way to get full email support in owncloud
> would be a killer feature, and I know a lot of people that would love to
> have such a thing.
>
> Regards,
> Nicolas
>
> 2011/11/7 Daniel <nix at tek12.com>
>>
>> On 11/07/2011 03:13 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7 November 2011 07:51, Thomas Müller<thomas.mueller at tmit.eu>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am Montag, den 07.11.2011 um 13:10 schrieb Frank Karlitschek:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07.11.2011, at 12:33, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 November 2011 05:15, Frank Karlitschek<karlitschek at kde.org>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> having a full fledged email server in ownCloud is not an option at
>>>>>>> the moment because it requires an SMTP daemon, spam filtering, an imap
>>>>>>> server, dns configuration and more which is not easily doable for normal
>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I've been trying Citadel groupware server
>>>>>> (http://www.citadel.org/doku.php). It is a complete, well-established,
>>>>>> fully GPL'ed, email server that's extremely easy to setup (it has an
>>>>>> automated install script).
>>>>>> I might be hard to bundle a Citadel server as part of ownCloud, but
>>>>>> perhaps some integration could be developed so that the two work well
>>>>>> together?
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely. It would be cool to integrate different Groupware solutions
>>>>> into the ownCloud webinterface.
>>>>> I already started a simple proof of concept integration for Kolab.
>>>>> https://gitorious.org/owncloud/apps/trees/master/kolab
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Karlitschek
>>>>> karlitschek at kde.org
>>>>
>>>> I totally disagree on that - sorry! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> First of all it feels odd!
>>>>
>>>> Second any groupware out there offers calendar, contacts and file
>>>> management - why did
>>>> ownCloud implement that - but not the mailing stuff?
>>>>
>>>> All these groupware solutions mainly rely on other components for
>>>> emailing (CourierIMAP, PostFix, spamassassin ......) and
>>>> ship scripts for (almost) automated installation. At least this in my
>>>> experience with GroupOffice.
>>>> ownCloud could deliver such scripts as well - but that's now what I want
>>>> to have!
>>>>
>>>> I want all my data stored within my cloud! And this - most of all -
>>>> includes my emails as well!
>>>> For sure integration of the email client with contacts and calendars
>>>> must work smooth as well.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see ownCloud become my private data vacuum clean - sucking
>>>> it all in! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> I agree with your disagreement in that it may seem odd. :p
>>> But, I think ultimately it would be the most awesome if ownCloud could
>>> provide its users with the flexibility to:
>>>
>>> (1) Integrate with other groupware systems such as Kolab or Citadel to
>>> gain email functionality. This can be done by providing plugins to
>>> ownCloud for integrating with other groupwares.
>>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> (2) Using email functionality that comes with ownCloud.
>>>
>>> If ownCloud can provide *both* (1) and (2), then that's a huge win for
>>> flexibility. For instance, some users could "add" ownCloud to their
>>> existing server infrastructure, while other users would use ownCloud's
>>> builtin services to start a whole new groupware server. This would be
>>> a killer feature of ownCloud that makes it stand out from other
>>> groupwares, and potentially welcome swathes of new users!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I have almost no programming experience, but would love
>>> to help in any way possible to help realise (1) and (2).
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>> I think the idea around Owncloud is to keep it simple (correct me if I'm
>> wrong). IMHO, there's nothing simple about properly configuring an
>> email/spam filtering solution - and it requires maintenance to some degree.
>> I think that puts owncloud out of reach for some peoples technical ability.
>>
>> +1 for the idea of integrating roundcube as a plugin, and really all your
>> missing after that is a postfix admin module. Then owncloud could have all
>> the bits and pieces that one would need without requiring any of it.
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>> Daniel
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