[Kstars-devel] Print Wizard

Sun Apr 13 11:32:05 UTC 2014

Yep, we have applied for GSoC this year. If we get a slot, we will ask
selected student to provide description of his project for this mailing
list. We will also apply to participate as a mentoring organization in
SoCiS 2014 (http://sophia.estec.esa.int/socis2014/). If you have any ideas
for projects (apart from those improvements to the printing wizard), they
would be more than welcome :-)

I can only say that finishing OAL logging support will be a priority for me
during this summer. I think that proper logging support should consist of
two parts:
- Note-taking - for quick and dirty notes, with only a basic additional
fields, such as date, observed object and (maybe) seeing conditions.
- Proper, more "scientific" logging - this is where the OAL format kicks
in. It is an XML format, with many additional fields for storing session
information (weather, conditions etc.), site information (location etc.)
and also all the data on observed objects. Obviously, not all that fields
are required, so it can also be used for simpler and quicker notes.

What is your opinion on that?

Please excuse my late responses.

Cheers!
Rafal

2014-04-05 21:40 GMT+02:00 Bruce <bruce.harding at gmail.com>:

>  > I agree that note-taking is not a strong point of KStars right now. I
> am
>
> > working on OAL support - if everything goes fine, it should be in master
>
> > branch during this summer (my MSc thesis is keeping me busy right now).
> The
>
> > idea is that with OAL-compliant logging, the only thing that would be
>
> > required apart from it, is this simple note-taking feature. What's your
>
> > opinion on that?
>
>
>
> Could you be more specific? I think I've covered some of this already and
> it was addressed by Akarsh Simha. It seem that Kstars does in fact have a
> good interface for taking notes except that it is broke. I'd like to think
> of noting more like research notes. As I've previously stated we observer
> often go back to the same objects many times over the course of our hobby,
> The reasons vary as to the conditions under which any object is viewed. So
> I don't just see just a single note taking ability, numerous notes for any
> given object.
>
>
>
> I understand you have a small team and very limited time to do this
> volunteer work. I assume you are apply for the Google Summer of Code? Have
> you picked with feature you want addressed? My vote, if I had one would be
> to get the note taking feature fix and implemented.
>
>
>
> Honestly wish I could help, but I don't know the first thing about
> programming and I'm a lousy problem solver.
>
>
>
> I'd love to hear what are the immediate priorities for the Kstars team
> are. It must be are what to add new features when you know there is some
> many outstanding issues that need to be addressed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On April 4, 2014 04:46:32 PM Rafal Kulaga wrote:
>
> > Hi Bruce,
>
> >
>
> > I think we can expand this to the visual observer by creating a print out
>
> >
>
> > > for
>
> > > each object. So if the astronomer picks 15 objects to observe in a
>
> > > session.
>
> > > Say that he/she is observing visually. Now we give them the ability to
>
> > > print
>
> > > out page/s for each object to be observed, much like we do with the
> print
>
> > > wizard. Then the next day the observer can come home and record his/her
>
> > > results in Kstars.
>
> >
>
> > Yes, this is indeed a good idea. It is also not hard at all to implement,
>
> > as it would require only a list of sky objects to be passed to the
> printing
>
> > wizard.
>
> >
>
> > > I noticed that in the Planning Session feature has a place to put
> notes.
>
> > > How
>
> > > does one review old observations? It seems to me that the whole point
> to
>
> > > keeps notes is that you can go back to them for review and research.
>
> > > Maybe
>
> > > there should be a search feature.
>
> >
>
> > This would be a nice addition too. Also, not a big deal to implement.
>
> >
>
> > > Could we make the Notes section more like the Print Wizard printout? I
>
> > > see a
>
> > > specific place for sky conditions eye pieces used, automatic
> calculation
>
> > > of
>
> > > magnification based on telescope and each eye piece used. This
>
> > > information can
>
> > > be taken for the Equipment section. Caveat: If a observer has more than
>
> > > one
>
> > > telescope we might need a menu (drop down) to choose telescope and eye
>
> > > pieces.
>
> > > Maybe be the observations could be tied to a calendar?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > How will a observer enter his/her data. Well I see two methods the
> first
>
> > > is
>
> > > base on Kstars present setup. The observer would have to search out
> each
>
> > > object in his/her list via the sky view, centre it and then right click
>
> > > and
>
> > > choose Details, then log. What I like to see added would be a method to
>
> > > do
>
> > > the same thing, but via the Observation Plan, Session Plan.
>
> > >
>
> > > Question: What is the point of a Observation Plan, Session Plan, and
> note
>
> > > taking? You don't just take notes to forget about them, they are there
>
> > > for
>
> > > future review and research. Lets take Kstars to the next level lets
> beef
>
> > > up
>
> > > the note taking capability.
>
> >
>
> > I agree that note-taking is not a strong point of KStars right now. I am
>
> > working on OAL support - if everything goes fine, it should be in master
>
> > branch during this summer (my MSc thesis is keeping me busy right now).
> The
>
> > idea is that with OAL-compliant logging, the only thing that would be
>
> > required apart from it, is this simple note-taking feature. What's your
>
> > opinion on that?
>
> >
>
> > Many thanks for your suggestions!
>
> >
>
> > Cheers!
>
> > Rafal
>
> >
>
> > > On March 28, 2014 12:00:06 PM kstars-devel-request at kde.org wrote:
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> > > > 1. Re: Print Wizard (Rafal Kulaga)
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> > > >
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> > > > Message: 1
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> > > > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:40:07 +0100
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> > > > From: Rafal Kulaga <rl.kulaga at gmail.com>
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> > > > To: Bruce <bruce.harding at gmail.com>
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> > > > Cc: KStars Development Mailing List <kstars-devel at kde.org>
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> > > > Subject: Re: [Kstars-devel] Print Wizard
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> > > > Hi Bruce,
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> > > >
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> > > > Oh, I get it. Yes, we can do this either by adding appropriate
> message
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> > > > to
>
> > > > the status bar or by painting a text box over the sky map.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > Rafal
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 2014-03-26 23:51 GMT+01:00 Bruce <bruce.harding at gmail.com>:
>
> > > > > Thanks for the quick response.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > On the issue of FOV capture as you use the Page Up Or Down key is
> not
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> > > > > clear to
>
> > > > > me what the FOV is that is being captured. Is there a way to convey
>
> > >
>
> > > this
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> > >
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> > > > > on
>
> > > > > the screen as you Page Up Or Down?
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> > > > >
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> > > > > On March 25, 2014 12:29:47 PM Rafal Kulaga wrote:
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> > > > > > Hi Bruce,
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Oh, I see where the problem is. I will add the "Field notes"
> field
>
> > >
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> > > and
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> > >
>
> > > > > move
>
> > > > >
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> > > > > > FOV snapshots together with the heading to the next page.
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Borders can be easily added to FOV snapshots - added to my TODO
> list
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> > > > > > too.
>
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > The integration with WUT feature in a way that you described is
> easy
>
> > >
>
> > > to
>
> > >
>
> > > > > do
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > - everything that's needed is a list of SkyObjects passed. Will
> do
>
> > >
>
> > > that
>
> > >
>
> > > > > too.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > As it comes to FOV capture - do you mean that zooming should be
> done
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > before
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > the actual capture?
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Many thanks for your useful suggestions! I'll let you know when
>
> > > > > > those
>
> > > > > > changes are implemented.
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Cheers!
>
> > > > > > Rafal
>
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > 2014-03-24 14:24 GMT+01:00 Bruce <bruce.harding at gmail.com>:
>
> > > > > > > Rafal,
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > There are several things I would change.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Logging Form should have a section for "Field Notes" it should
>
> > >
>
> > > take up
>
> > >
>
> > > > > the
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> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > rest of the page.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Note that this heading "Field Of View Snapshots" is not with
> the
>
> > > > > > > snapshots.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > "Field of View Snapshots" should have surround borders to give
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > definition
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > to
>
> > > > > > > the capture and help define what is to be seen through one's
>
> > > > > > > telescope.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > The "Details About Object" should have it's own page.
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > When in the process of choosing the image to capture, to me it
>
> > >
>
> > > seems
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > unclear
>
> > > > > > > what FOV are being captured. Is there a way of showing this
>
> > > > > > > before
>
> > > > > > > hitting
>
> > > > > > > the "K" to capture the image?
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Is there a way to connect the "What's Up Tonight" feature with
> the
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > "Print
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Wizard" feature? How about adding a link under the "Slew Map To
>
> > > > > > > Object"
>
> > > > > > > that
>
> > > > > > > says "Send to Print Wizard"?
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Personally I think this feature should be integrated into the
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > "Observation
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Planner" under "Field Notes" or something similar.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > I look forward to feed back on the above.
>
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > ==
>
> > > > > > > bruce
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > On March 24, 2014 12:23:02 PM Rafal Kulaga wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Hi Bruce!
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > Could you possibly send me a screenshot or a PDF of the
> affected
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > document?
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > Rafal
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > 2014-03-24 5:14 GMT+01:00 Bruce <lists at faintfuzzies.ca>:
>
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > I was using the feature Print Wizard when I noticed and
> issue.
>
> > > > > > > > > The
>
> > > > > > > > > headings
>
> > > > > > > > > do not break with the feature they are describing. Give it
> a
>
> > >
>
> > > try
>
> > >
>
> > > > > and
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > let
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > me
>
> > > > > > > > > know if you have a different result.
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > ==
>
> > > > > > > > > bruce
>
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