5.1.3 is better than 5.2.1

[Bill Gee]

Dang it, something changed!  I started up KMyMoney again to run verify 
the problems, and now it is working!  Argh ....  I hate problems that go 
away for no apparent reason.  The very first requirement for 
troubleshooting is to reliably replicate the problem.

Hypothesis:  When I ran KyMyMoney this morning, it migrated my data 
file.  I wonder if the migration process required an exit and restart?? 
It did not say anything about that.

Hypothesis:  This machine has been running Fedora for years.  I upgrade 
every time a new version comes out.  No reinstalls - That would take 
days.  I wonder if the KMyMoney configuration file had some accumulated 
cruft?

Resizing a column is still fairly slow, but everything else works at 
good speed.

I started KMyMoney from a command shell.  It issued about 40 or 50 lines 
similar to these:

kf.coreaddons: The plugin 
"/usr/lib64/qt6/plugins/kmymoney_plugins/ofximporter.so" explicitly 
states an 'Id' in the embedded metadata. This value should be removed, 
the resulting pluginId will not be affected by it
kf.coreaddons: The plugin 
"/usr/lib64/qt6/plugins/kmymoney_plugins/konlinetasks_sepa.so" 
explicitly states an Id in the embedded metadata, which is different 
from the one derived from the filename The Id field from the KPlugin 
object in the metadata should be removed

Each line named a different .so file.  There was nothing else that 
looked like any kind of error.

I am running KDE Plasma desktop under Wayland.  The display adapter is 
an old Intel.  I got tired of fighting with both AMD and nVidia drivers, 
so reverted to something that Just Works.

Flatpaks/snaps/et.al.   I have four problems with them.  1) They strike 
me as a solution looking for a problem.  If you need to virtualize, why 
not do the whole machine?  2) They do not save files where I can see 
them from other applications.  3) The last one I tried wanted to 
download nearly 4 gigabytes of stuff!  For an application where the 
native RPM file is less than 50 megabytes!  4) They do not interact with 
other applications on the machine.

As an example, I tried the flatpak for LabPlot a few years ago.  I used 
it to generate a plot, then exported the plot to a jpg file in 
~/Documents.  When I went to find that file in Dolphin, it was not 
there!  WTF???  Back to LabPlot - save the file again - It said it was 
going to overwrite.  How could it do that to a file that did not exist?? 
  I also tried to view the file from within LabPlot, but it said there 
were no suitable viewers on the machine.  WTF???  I have a dozen 
different apps that can view jpg files.  That experience left a VERY bad 
taste, and I have not been back.  The geeks can have fun - I want it to 
Just Work.

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Bill Gee

On 11/5/25 15:42, Jack via KMyMoney wrote:
> On 2025.11.05 09:44, Bill Gee via KMyMoney wrote:
>> Now that I have 5.2.1 courtesy of Fedora 42 to 43 upgrade, I have to 
>> say ...  FAIL!!!
>>
>> Gimme back 5.1!!
> The first thing I'll point out is that almost everything you are 
> complaining about works perfectly well for most users.  What we need to 
> do is figure out why things are not working correctly for you.  It seems 
> unlikely the problems are inherent in the KMyMoney code, so we need to 
> dig deeper.
> 
>> 1) When I click on the Accounts icon on the left side, it gives me a 
>> list of Liability, Asset and Favorite.  Single-clicking the arrow 
>> beside any of these does nothing (behavior change - it used to open 
>> the sublist).
> For me (Gentoo Linux) clicking the arrow does expand the list of that 
> type of account, as it has always done.
> 
>> Double-clicking on any of the three entries opens Liability and shows 
>> me the one credit card account.  Click or double-clicking on that 
>> account closes the sublist (behavior change - it used to take me to 
>> the ledger for that account).
> For me, double clicking opens that list, same as clicking the arrow.
> Do you have more Liability accounts than just that Credit Card, or is 
> that the only one?
> For me, single clicking any account simply selects it (and enables the 
> right click context menu.)  Double clicking takes me to the ledger for 
> that account
> 
>> 2) So how do I get to the account ledgers now?  The only way I have 
>> found is to go to the Institutions icon, open the institution and 
>> double-click the account.
> While I agree you should not need to do this, you can go to the Ledgers 
> View (click the Ledgers icon on the left.)  Then click the  "+" near the 
> top.  This will open a drop-down where you can select any account.
> 
>> 3) Click on the Categories icon on the left.  It gives me Expenses and 
>> Income.  Clicking or double-clicking on either does nothing.  
>> (behavior change - It used to open a sublist.)
> This continues to behave for me the same as the accounts and 
> institutions views.
> 
>> Update - I waited several minutes.  Now double-clicking on either 
>> Expense or Income will open a sublist under Expense.  Clicking or 
>> double-clicking any item on the sublist closes the sublist.
> Still seems odd - single clicking should just select the clicked item.  
> Double clicking a grouping entry should expand or contract its sublist.  
> Double clicking an item (Account or Category or ...) should open that 
> item in the Ledger.
> 
>> 4) Account ledgers now have a column for Details.  I don't want that 
>> column.  It just clutters things up.  I can shrink the column (which 
>> takes 15 to 20 seconds) but cannot turn it off.
> Apparently not (you could file a wishlist bug to allow deselecting it.)  
> Oddly, I can adjust the width of other columns, but not the Detail 
> column.  It seems to me that the Detail column just gets the leftover 
> width after all the other columns are displayed.  That is definitely an 
> odd behavior.
> 
>> I have not looked any further.  This is unusable, a complete fail.  I 
>> cannot go back because Fedora does not offer a 5.1 package for F43. 
>> Flatpacks are not acceptable.  I have had far too many problems with 
>> them.  Same with snaps.  An appimage might be OK if one were offered.
> 
> Why are flatpaks not acceptable?  At least try one for testing to see if 
> the problems appear there also.  You can also try (if only for testing) 
> an Appimage or Snap version.
> 
> These fails are not (or at least not entirely) in the code for KMyMoney, 
> as many other users are not having the same problems.  I'm still not 
> sure where or why they show up for you.  One thing you can to is check 
> your System Settings application to see if there are any setting which 
> might confuse single vs. double clicking the mouse.  (No, I do not 
> expect anything here, but it's worth checking.)  I might als post on a 
> Fedora forum or list, to see if any other Fedora users are seeing the 
> same issues.  One additional question - are you using a full KDE Plasma 
> desktop, or only those pulled in as dependencies?  If the latter, I 
> wonder if teh Fedora build might be missing one or more Qt or KDE 
> dependencies.  Also not likely, as I would expect a crash or error 
> message.  Finally, please try launching KMyMoney from command line, and 
> see if there is any useful information output to the console.
> 
> The behaviour you complain about is indeed not normal, but it may take 
> some effort to identify the cause.
> 
> Jack