KMyMoney 4.6.6 - unable to delete or edit a transaction.

Tue Jun 5 13:43:31 UTC 2018

Well, they say Google is your field lol!

I decided to look at the /src with a view to compiling it myself but in 
doing so I came across:

https://pkgs.org/download/kmymoney

This has packages for my flavour of Ubuntu!

I post it here in case it helps anyone else following this thread.

Eric

On 05/06/18 14:10, Thomas Baumgart wrote:
> Eric,
>
> On Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 14:50:08 CEST Eric Watson wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> To 'open' the account I follow the following procedure:
>>
>> 1. Click 'View' in the list of options above the 'Financial Summary'
>>
>> 2. In the drop down list I select 'Show all accounts'
>>
>>   From there I thought I could mange the bad account.
>>
>> Following your suggestions I was able to access the entry and found that
>> the 'Transactions options' menu entries were all available. I decided to
>> delete the transaction and remake it, pointing to the correct open
>> account B1 this time. That worked correctly.
> Cool. We got it working.
>
>
>> I thank all for the assistance given.
>>
>> In respect of the 'old' version I am using, perhaps you can advise?
>>
>> As I said, I am using Linux  Ubuntu xubuntu and download all packages
>> from their distributions which results in updates and security being
>> dealt with by them.
>>
>> Joe is also using Linux, a Debian version and now has a working new version.
> I am not a debian user so I can't give hints on what to do on those distros.
>
>
>> In respect of version 4.8.2, when I go to the relevant web page, under
>> that heading I see:
>>
>> "Binary packages are available from related Linux distributions and for
>> 32 and 64 bit Windows from the KDEdownload mirror network
>> <http://download.kde.org/stable/kmymoney/4.8.2/>".
>> When I access that mirror network I find only src/, win32/ and win64/
>> are available. I do not see any Linux distribution.
>   
> Yes, for Linux distros we provide source code and the distro mainainers package them to installable binaries. The KMyMoney maintainer for the 4.8 branch decided to provide windows binaries as well.
>
>
>> I dual boot Windows 10 but avoid using it.
> I am unsure in what state the windows version is atm so you should try to get an updated *buntu package. Maybe another user can be of help here while maintaining a fallback onto the current version.
>
> Best regards
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>> On 05/06/18 06:49, Thomas Baumgart wrote:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> me again. So my idea of a closed account was in the right direction. I am glad that there is a logical explanation.
>>>
>>> When you say, you opened the account, do you mean you selected the ledger view for this account? That is not, what Jack meant. A closed account needs to be re-opened before you can modify transactions in it.
>>>
>>> Here's (one way) of doing that:
>>>
>>> - select the accounts view and right click on the closed account
>>> - select "Reopen account"
>>> - continue by selecting the ledger of this re-opened account,
>>> - right click on the transaction which should not belong there
>>> - select "Move to" and the account you want to have it in.
>>>
>>> Now the balance of this (re-opened) account should be zero again and you can close it (using Account/Close) once more.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps. If not, please let us know. We are very close to the solution of your problem.
>>>
>>> I wonder why you were able to enter this transaction in the first place. Newer versions won't allow you to do that.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> On Montag, 4. Juni 2018 23:32:10 CEST Eric Watson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>
>>>> I did say, I opened the closed account. However the "move" is grayed out
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> The "move" is available in account A1 but it just moves the origin, not
>>>> the destination.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On 04/06/18 22:17, Jack wrote:
>>>>> Maybe. Can you reopen that closed account?  If so, then you should be
>>>>> able to go to it's ledger, right click on the transaction, and "move"
>>>>> it to the correct account.  Then re-close the old account. No need to
>>>>> delete and recreate the transaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that doesn't work, I'll wait for Thomas' suggestion, and maybe he
>>>>> will have an idea why it allowed you to create a transfer to a closed
>>>>> account.  In addition, in theory, if you hover over the transaction, I
>>>>> think you really should get a tooltip saying something like "Unable to
>>>>> edit transaction for account 'name of closed account' which is closed."
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018.06.04 17:09, Eric Watson wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry about the name confusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From your suggestions I have found what has caused the problem but
>>>>>> cannot rectify it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also has a name confusion! Last year I had a savings account (now
>>>>>> closed) with a name almost identical to the name of the account B1.
>>>>>> In fact I had to edit the account name to differentiate it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    It appears that I made the transfer from A1 to the closed account
>>>>>> and it was accepted without error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I opened all accounts and found the £500 transfer in the closed
>>>>>> account. However, I cannot delete it from A1 or the closed account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you able to assist now we know the cause?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/06/18 21:45, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018.06.04 15:44, Eric Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will answer your suggestions in the order made:
>>>>>>> That was Thomas, although we both try to help. :-)  Your answers to
>>>>>>> my questions also helped clarify the situation, although not what is
>>>>>>> actually wrong.
>>>>>>>> In the category field, (Deposit, Transfer, Withdrawal) it shows as
>>>>>>>> a Transfer and both the Pay to and Transfer to are completed
>>>>>>>> correctly. I am aware of the error indications shown in KMM. I have
>>>>>>>> also noticed that in addition to the grayed out Transfer pop-up
>>>>>>>> list, the options above the Deposit, Transfer, Withdrawal are all
>>>>>>>> grayed out except for New.
>>>>>>> In the context menu, below the move and mark entries, there should
>>>>>>> also be two entries like "Go to B1" in one case showing the payee
>>>>>>> (Pay To) and the other case (Transfer To) being the account to which
>>>>>>> the funds should have gone.  If either of those are present, select
>>>>>>> them (one separate try for each) to see where it takes you.  If
>>>>>>> neither is present, I'm a bit at a loss.
>>>>>>>> I have used KMM for a number of years and never have had a problem
>>>>>>>> with correctly entering Transfers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could I have created a black hole?
>>>>>>> Unlikely, but it appears that although the correct account shows in
>>>>>>> the "Transfer to" field, the money has not shown up there.
>>>>>>> One other place to look - in the Payees view, select the payee shown
>>>>>>> in the Pay To field (in case it wasn't on the context menu) and see
>>>>>>> how the transaction looks there.  See what the context menu (right
>>>>>>> click) looks like there also.
>>>>>>>> When hovering over any transaction I have never noticed a tool tip.
>>>>>>>> No tool tip appears in this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The account A1 was created on 23/8/15 and the 'bad' entry was
>>>>>>>> created on 1/6/20
>>>>>>> When was account B1 created?
>>>>>>>> I used the KMM consistency tool and it reported, "Finished: data is
>>>>>>>> consistent". I downloaded KMM from Ubuntu and am not sure if your
>>>>>>>> latest version would work correctly in xubuntu, hence the old version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One further comment I have is that I have not transfered the money
>>>>>>>> to the wrong account because if £500 was entered in B1 all of the
>>>>>>>> accounts held in the bank are reconciled with those in KMM. I could
>>>>>>>> bodge the result by making a cash entry of £500 in B1.
>>>>>>> Just in case, go to the Accounts view and see if there might be an
>>>>>>> "extra" account present you didn't know about.  I don't think you
>>>>>>> will find one, but clearly things are not behaving how we think they
>>>>>>> should, and it's easy enough to look.
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/06/18 20:15, Thomas Baumgart wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see my comments inline below
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Montag, 4. Juni 2018 19:16:17 CEST Eric Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The actual pysical bank shows the transfer occurred correctly. It
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> entries in KMM which are incorrect. Account A1 is less £500 but
>>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>> B1 never received the transaction. Therefore the total Assets are
>>>>>>>>>> £500
>>>>>>>>>> less than they should be in KMM. (Not in the actual bank!). £500 has
>>>>>>>>>> gone missing in KMM!
>>>>>>>>> That means, the transaction was recorded in A1 but it does not
>>>>>>>>> have B1 assigned to it. If you look at the transaction form when
>>>>>>>>> this transaction is selected, what does it show in the category
>>>>>>>>> field? In case it is empty, the transaction should be shown in red
>>>>>>>>> and an exclamation mark inside a yellow triangle should be shown
>>>>>>>>> in the register. In case that icon is not visible, the category
>>>>>>>>> must have something in it (thanks to double-entry accounting I am
>>>>>>>>> very sure about this).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I delete the transaction in A1 I can then re-make it and
>>>>>>>>>> hopefully,
>>>>>>>>>> this time it will show as a deposit by transfer in B1, making the
>>>>>>>>>> Assets
>>>>>>>>>> total correct.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, make sure to use B1 as the category or 'transfer to'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, for some reason the money left one account but did not
>>>>>>>>>> appear in
>>>>>>>>>> the other in KMM.
>>>>>>>>> Please see above. I went somewhere and is not lost. There is no
>>>>>>>>> such thing as black holes in the KMyMoney application ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As  said in my post, yes I get a pop-up 'Transactions options'
>>>>>>>>>> list when
>>>>>>>>>> hovering over the entry but the only entries in the list which
>>>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>>>> grayed out (unusable), are new, move or mark. Both delete and
>>>>>>>>>> edit are
>>>>>>>>>> grayed out.
>>>>>>>>> This seems to be the case, when you press the right mouse button.
>>>>>>>>> This opens the so called context menu for the transaction.
>>>>>>>>> Hovering means to move the mouse over the transaction and then
>>>>>>>>> waiting for a so called tool-tip to appear. It could be, that
>>>>>>>>> nothing happens which is OK. In case KMyMoney identifies a problem
>>>>>>>>> it will tell you in this tool-tip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, 4.6.6 is rather old. Could it be, that the
>>>>>>>>> transaction's post date is prior to the opening date of the
>>>>>>>>> account? You can see the account's opening date by selecting
>>>>>>>>> Account/Edit. It is one of the things I could think of why
>>>>>>>>> KMyMoney does not allow you to change the transaction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the same day, at the same time I made an identical £500
>>>>>>>>>> transfer from
>>>>>>>>>> A1 to C1 and the 'Transaction options' list is correct, all
>>>>>>>>>> entries are
>>>>>>>>>> available, none grayed out and the transaction took place correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The error therefore is; why are some entries grayed out? Also,
>>>>>>>>>> why did
>>>>>>>>>> the transfer not appear in the other account?
>>>>>>>>> I hope I gave some explanations to both of the questions.
>>>>>>>>>> I have saved the file but don't know what you mean by, "consistency
>>>>>>>>>> check". It opens ok again without any change.
>>>>>>>>> See the menu Tools/Consistency check. You can run it manually and
>>>>>>>>> KMyMoney (at least newer versions and I am not sure about 4.6.6
>>>>>>>>> right now) runs it automatically as part of the save operation. If
>>>>>>>>> you run it manually I expect it not to show any problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In case all this does not help, please let us know what you found
>>>>>>>>> out while looking at the various things I mentioned above. We will
>>>>>>>>> get you going.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/06/18 17:29, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018.06.04 11:40, Eric Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my Ledger I have and entry which was made as a payment
>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>> funds to a savings account in the Ledger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The funds were never actually transferred but are recorded in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> originating account as transferred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> eg. A1 account transfers £500 to B1 account. A1 account total is
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct but B1 account is £500 short.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to delete the entry in A1 account and remake it so
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer amount appears in the B1 account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I right click on the bad entry I get the Transfer options
>>>>>>>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On this menu both edit and delete are grayed out leaving the only
>>>>>>>>>>>> options, new, move or mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Advice would be appreciated please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>>>> Just to be sure I understand, you created a transaction which
>>>>>>>>>>> transferred £500 from account A1 to account B1, and the bank
>>>>>>>>>>> does show
>>>>>>>>>>> the money has left A1, but it has not yet arrived in B1.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am
>>>>>>>>>>> not sure what you are trying to do.  If you delete the transaction
>>>>>>>>>>> from A1, then will it not have £500 extra?  Also, since KMM follows
>>>>>>>>>>> the principles of double entry bookkeeping, any money leaving one
>>>>>>>>>>> account has to be added to some other account.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, if the program will not let you edit the transaction,
>>>>>>>>>>> we have
>>>>>>>>>>> to figure out why.  If it will let you move or mark it, then it
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> should let you edit or delete.  If you just hover the mouse over
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> transaction, is there any popup indicating any sort of error
>>>>>>>>>>> condition?  If you save the file, does the consistency check
>>>>>>>>>>> show any
>>>>>>>>>>> error about that transaction?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
>>