[Kmymoney-devel] Prices dialog

[Alvaro Soliverez]

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:16 AM, allan <aganderson at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> On 16/06/10 04:07, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:01 AM, allan <aganderson at ukonline.co.uk
> > <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 15/06/10 10:48, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:38 AM, allan <aganderson at ukonline.co.uk
> >     <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk>
> >     > <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk
> >     <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     On 15/06/10 06:51, Thomas Baumgart wrote:
> >     >     > Hi all,
> >     >     >
> >     >     > on Tuesday 15 June 2010 02:35:19 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:14 AM, aga
> >     <aganderson at ukonline.co.uk <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk>
> >     >     <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk
> >     <mailto:aganderson at ukonline.co.uk>>> wrote:
> >     >     >>> Hi Alvaro
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> Funnily enough, I was just thinking yesterday that I should
> be
> >     >     putting in
> >     >     >>> a wish-list item for the prices dialog.
> >     >     <snip>
> >     >     >>> 2) Also, partly in connection with the above, but also as
> >     a separate
> >     >     >>> wish, would be the display of the account name alongside
> each
> >     >     entry.  In
> >     >     >>> my prices
> >     >     >>> list I have more than one separate entry for a few
> securities.
> >     >      I don't
> >     >     >>> mean
> >     >     >>> different prices, but, with the 'display every entry'
> >     >     UN-checked, a few
> >     >     >>> prices
> >     >     >>> show more than once.  This probably goes back to when I
> >     split up
> >     >     some
> >     >     >>> funds that I had bought at different times and
> unfortunately
> >     >     gave them
> >     >     >>> each a duplicate security instead of sharing the one.  I
> >     have now
> >     >     >>> corrected that and
> >     >     >>> they do now share the one security, but the old entries
> remain
> >     >     and I want
> >     >     >>> to
> >     >     >>> remove them, but there is no indication of which prices
> belong
> >     >     to which
> >     >     >>> account and which are therefore redundant.
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> If the price entry had with it the account name it would
> >     be easy
> >     >     to see
> >     >     >>> which
> >     >     >>> prices list entry referred to which account.   Also,
> though, I
> >     >     don't use
> >     >     >>> the
> >     >     >>> symbol on a day-so-day basis, and am much more comfortable
> >     >     seeing the
> >     >     >>> security
> >     >     >>> name rather than its symbol.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> The issue I have with this, is those prices which are
> >     associated with
> >     >     >> multiple accounts.
> >     >     >> How do we display the accounts in those cases?
> >     >     >> Do we display it only when there is only one account related
> to
> >     >     that price?
> >     >     >> If we don't display multiple accounts, how do we
> differentiate
> >     >     from the
> >     >     >>  case when there are no accounts related to a price?
> >     >     >
> >     >     > That's exactly the problem.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > [...]
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     >     At the moment, it displays a line for each security but shows
> >     only the
> >     >     symbol.   With the proposed change, for a particular symbol,
> >     each line
> >     >     would show in addition a different investment account.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Oh, you are talking about the commodity and currency columns
> >     right? \O/
> >     > Right now, there we only display the id of the security, whereas we
> >     > could display the name too.
> >     > And to be more clear, the commodity displayed here is not the
> >     investment
> >     > account, that's why we seemed confused.
> >     >
> >
> >     Ah, but because the securities are all one and the same, their names
> >     also will be the same.  It is the parent  investment account name
> that
> >     is the needed information.
> >
> >     Just to be totally clear, I have the same security in three different
> >     investment accounts, one for each year of purchase (because the
> >     investment company separates dividend payments by year (their account
> is
> >     per year).  Each security has the same name because they are
> identical,
> >     but the investment account names differ.  When I edit an entry
> >     in the prices list, the only way to be sure it's the correct entry is
> to
> >     have its parent account name visible.
> >
> >
> > It is already complicated to get the corresponding account, and you need
> > the parent account?
> > Can't you temporarily change the name of the account, match by that and
> > then change it back? :/
> >
>
> I'm not sure which account you're thinking of here.  At the investment
> account level, I have the original 'Account A' name.  Then I wanted to
> segregate those transactions into separate investment accounst by year
> of original purchase, so then I had 'Account A' , 'Account A-2008',
> 'Account A-2009' and  'Account A-2010', all using the same security so
> all having the same security name.  So now in the prices table I have
> four sets of pricing information, with no way of knowing which set I
> needed to delete/edit.  Changing the name of the investment account
> wouldn't help because that name doesn't appear in the table.  Changing
> the name of the security wouldn't help because all investment accounts
> share the same security name, plus that name doesn't appear in the table
> either.
>
>
I really don't understand why you opened up the stocks by year. Is there a
use case that is better accomplished by opening them up this way?
I said I would add the stock name column. I think in this case, it fits what
you need.

Now, to be clear. We have investment accounts. Investment accounts have no
transactions. They can have subaccounts, like a brokerage account, and
stocks. Stocks are accounts too. There is no special MyMoneyStock class. It
is all handled within MyMoneyAccount.

When you create a stock, it also creates a security by the same name, the
stock shares. Currencies are a particular type of security, and they are
handled pretty much the same within KMM, save for editing, deleting, etc.
So, when we deal with the currency of a stock, we have at least two types of
security. First, the "stock share" currency, and then the "trading currency"
(US dollares, euros, whatever). And when we talk about stocks, we actually
have an account to it. It may be called the same as the "share stock"
currency, but each lives on its own. The stock account has a reference to
the shares currency, but not the other way around.

Can we reexamine this issue in light of this new information?


What I want to do in the prices dialog, is to check the securities whether
they are a currency. For every non-currency security, search the
corresponding stock account and add its name to a colum

Thomas, please add/correct whatever you may feel I'm missing or stating
incorrectly.

Regards,
Alvaro

PS. Since this is the devel list, you have to bare with me for the duration
of the technical explanation. :)
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