[Design] lighten Dolphin’s Control menu
sinma
eichi237 at mailoo.org
Sun Sep 1 23:52:18 BST 2013
Hello again, thanks for replying.
Le dimanche 1 septembre 2013 14:11:11 Todd a écrit :
> Some of these I will skip because I don't feel strongly or don't have
> anything specific to add, but I do have comments on others
I’ll do the same thing here.
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, sinma <eichi237 at mailoo.org> wrote:
> > * «View Mode» must be placed on the toolbar (more intuitive, like any
> > other
> > file manager, the redundance is useless)
>
> The view mode is already in the toolbar by default, in the form of
> individual icons. If you add the "view mode" menu to the toolbar, it
> disappears from the menu. It should probably also disappear from the menu
> if all the icons are in the toolbar, too. Feel free to file a bug about
> this if there isn't one already.
I don’t know if it’s tricky to implement this. I see two possibilities:
* add the three buttons in one time, like if it was only one button. Users
cannot have only two buttons.
* we need to watch if the three buttons are in the toolbar each time we edit
the toolbar layout, and each time Dolphin start.
In any case, a bit of work seems necessary, and I don’t know if it’s really
worth it. I’ll report this on bugs.kde.org.
> > * «Reload» is not useful for most people, because Dolphin take care of
> > reloading the view (or at least to display almost immediately the change
> > in the working directory).
>
> Only on local folders. On remote folders it often doesn't do as good of a
> job.
Can be it on a submenu? Furthermore, F5 is a well know shortcut, and reload
isn’t used each 2 minutes.
> >* The «Go» submenu is useless, it’s just a garbage from the old Dolphin UI
> > because it’s duplicating features that are already accessible in one clic
> > in the toolbar.
>
> "Home" and "Recently closed tabs" are not in the toolbar by default on my
> system.
"Home" is almost always the personal folder, and the few geeks that use it now
probably know what is Alt+Home. But you’re right about «Recently closed tabs»,
I forget it.
> > ** «Show Filter Bar» must be placed in the toolbar, at the left of the
> > «Find» icon (and maybe renamed because it’s its name is a bit confusing
> > for the noob I think). By the way, when clicking the second time on «Show
> > Filter Bar» or «Find», it must close the previously opened bar.
>
> I would argue it would be better to merge filter and find, but in the
> present situation people who need to use filter a lot can enable it by
> default. But there is a question whether enough people use it to justify
> this.
Filter bar is definitely more useful to me, but I barely use it because it’s
not on the toolbar so I forget about it.
Merging the filter bar and "Find" seems to be a good idea:
* we can keep the two shortcuts but the filter bar shortcut enable the search
without recursivity
* we can use the search like the filter bar but with Nepomuk search options
> > * The «Show Menubar» is not used frequently, so it may be better to move
> > it to the configuration dialog or get rid of it.
>
> The whole point is to make it easy to get the menu back if someone
> accidentally removes it.
Is the menubar really used anymore? The "new" UI of Dolphin is pretty good
(and will be better if we can simplify it a bit).
Maybe it’s not worth it to keep the possibility to go back to the menubar. I
think some users still use it by habit or because it’s the default settings on
some distros, but in the more or less near future almost nobody will use it.
> > * is it really the place for «New Window» and «New Tab» entries?
>
> Generally people will be using the right-click or middle-click for that,
> but maintaining that functionality, especially when those buttons are not
> available, is still important.
I think this two strings must be replaced by "Open In New Window" and "Open in
New Tab": I didn’t understand that it opens the working directory in another
window or tab but, as the name suggests, that it opens a new Dolphin view on
the default folder (like when we launch a new Dolphin instance).
> So it gives me the following:
> > Select All
> > Invert Selection
> > ---
> > Sort by >
> > Show in Groups
> > Show Hidden Files
> > Panels >
> > ---
> > Settings >
> >
> > Configure Shortcuts…
> > Configure Toolbars…
> > Configure Dolphin…
> >
> > Help >
> >
> >
> > Cleaner, isn’t it? Don’t forget that most of the functions aren’t deleted,
> > because either there’s a better way to acces it (easier to find and/or
> > quicker
> > to use), or it’s deported in the toolbar.
>
> You are ending up with a very large set of toolbar buttons, which can be a
> problem on small screens. Basically your argument boils down to "we
> should put things I use in the toolbar and get rid of things I don't use".
> But if you are going to include substantial changes like this you need to
> justify them beyond just your own work-flow. You need to provide some
> evidence that these are or are not useful enough to the average user to
> justify what you are proposing.
I’m not a designer, I havn’t numbers to put on usage but I’ve many ideas, and
I think it’s worth it to discuss it (because you know Dolphin users more than
me and you can tell me if what I purpose is good or not).
I’ve added a "View" submenu, don’t know if it’s better than before but it
seems fair. Before: 18 entries. Now: 8.
Select All
Invert Selection
---
View >
Sort by >
Additional Information >
Show in Groups
Show Hidden Files
Reload
Panels >
---
Tools > // I don’t know if it’s a good place…
Recently Closed Tabs >
Compare Files
Select Remote Charset
Settings >
Configure Shortcuts…
Configure Toolbars…
Configure Dolphin…
Help >
(Show Menubar)
The toolbar (don’t know if there’s a good place for "Undo"):
Previous Next | Icons Compact Details Preview Split View | Find
Undo | Control
Last but not least, why are there "Undo" but not "Redo"? That sounds a bit
strange.
Thanks for reading,
sinma
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