toolbars removus

[Leo Savernik]

Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2005 20:24 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
> On Friday 04 February 2005 12:07, Leo Savernik wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2005 19:15 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
> > > happy friday everyone...
> > >
> > > for 3.4, can the following icons be removed from konqueror's default
> > > toolbars:
> > >
> > > File Management: cut, copy, paste, print, zooming
> >
> > cut: no
> > copy: no
> > paste: no
> >
> > How does the noob manage his files without them?
>
> the way they've done it for a couple decades on platforms that didn't, and
> still don't, off them on the toolbar: by drag and drop, by using the edit
> menu, and as they progress the context menu and keyboard shortcuts.

IIRC even Wind*ws explorer features cut/copy/paste buttons in file management 
mode. I have never heard/read anybody complain about it, so I'm wondering why 
people always complain about konqueror's.
>
> this also assumes that "noobs" (ug, what a term) even follow this pattern
> of usage on a common basis.

My observations of inexperienced users (now using the politically correct 
term ;-) ) have shown that they quickly grasp the meaning of toolbar buttons 
and rudimentary mouse moving/clicking.

However, they virtually never get straight menues, context menues, and 
keyboard shortcuts (the latter one the most hideous/irritating one).
>
> > > Web Browsing: cut, copy, paste, find, security
> >
> > copy: no (one can copy selected text)
>
> konqueror is not an editor. <-- read that again.
>
> should we have a toolbar with copy in KMessageBoxes because you can select
> text in them? 

Cool, KMessageBox becomes a KXMLGUIClient? Sorry, just kidding...

> of course not. copying text is not a primary use case of web 
> browsing, and even when you do it there is the edit menu. it is not worth
> while to keep this on the toolbar, which should be reserved for the most
> common and vital application-specific actions.
>
> just because you CAN perform an action in a given context does NOT mean
> that action belongs in the toolbar. not by a long shot.

It's indeed true that no other browser I know of has a copy button, so I don't 
have a particularly strong feeling about keeping it.

mfg
 Leo
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