[PATCH] support selecting xmlui file in konqy profile

Aaron J. Seigo aseigo at kde.org
Mon Jan 5 23:30:31 GMT 2004


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On Monday 05 January 2004 04:13, George Staikos wrote:
>    Very wrong.  I was amazed over the holidays to experience first hand
> some completely non-technical windows users actually go into the IE
> security information to check who signed the certificate. 

great. this doesn't affect that, it simply affects WHERE people do it.

> Why do we need 
> it in the toolbar too?  1) (reason that matters more than others)  It has
> always been there, and moving it causes very much confusion. 

people will be confused because it isn't there? i suppose we shouldn't change 
anything, ever then.

> Do you know 
> how many people complained that we didn't have it in the same place as
> Netscape?

you mean in the status bar and not in the toolbar? ;-) 

on a more serious note though, that's a completely different issue: when 
people switch between windows (apps) consistency is important. when using a 
new version of an app, changes are self-consistent and learning changes is 
part of the game of improvement. so while having Mozilla, Konqi, IE, etc 
consistent is important, having Konqi consistent with itself over multiple 
versions (at the expense of improvement) is less so.

of course, it remains in the View menu and in the status bar.

> 2) Split views.  The 
> icon disappears and reappears as views are activated and deactivated, and
> that's not good.  At least with the toolbar icon it's always there when
> KHTML is loaded and shows you the state of it along with other state icons.

the dissapearing icons isn't the best, no... but i'd argue that it's even 
worse when in the toolbar as it doesn't change and therefore gives the 
impression that a frame w/out security actually does have security. i'm 
looking at Qt Docs in frame to the left, and my pc banking in a frame to the 
right and the lock in the toolbar is locked because the pc banking frame is 
selected! at a glance, it's rather misleading. the relationship between is 
far less apparent than the statusbar icon.

>    Now that I look at it more closely, I don't agree with any of the GUI
> changes, except perhaps the Go button (since it can easily be re-added for
> Kiosk-style operation).  It just adds more clicks to do things and hides
> common actions. 

the actions aren't that common.

> If you want a featureless system, wait for 3.3 and add a 
> KCM or wizard that installs alternative rc files with actions removed.

this removes exactly 0 features. what it does do is remove them from the 
_default_ toolbar, which in its current state is highly over populated for no 
good reason whatsoever, other than to make it hard to use.

> You 
> can even make it part of KPersonalizer: "Do you want fewer features? Y/N"
> Removing features and making it hard to do things is what Gnome does, not
> what KDE does, and IMHO it's really dumb.

good thing that isn't what this does, then. =P

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Aaron J. Seigo
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