toolbar icons

[Aleix Pol]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, David Nolden <
david.nolden.kdevelop at art-master.de> wrote:

> Am Sonntag 09 August 2009 12:38:59 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
> > For sake of talking about what actually happens, lets look at the
> following
> > three screenshots I've just done after completely removing
> > $HOME/.kde/share/(config|apps)/kdev*, i.e. what is shown on initially
> > starting kdevelop.
> >
> > First one without any changes whatsoever:
> > http://www.apaku.de/vardata/kdev4_initial_start.png
> >
> > Two problems are clearly visible:
> >  - broken default size, the window needs to me a lot larger
> >  - the debugger toolbar needs to be moved to the debug area
> >
> > However, both quickopen and contextbrowser toolbar are fully visible. Qt
> > properly compresses non-widget actions.
> >
> > Now, lets remove the debugger toolbar:
> > http://www.apaku.de/vardata/kdev4_initial_nodbg.png
> >
> > If we wouldn't have the perspective actions there, we'd have run, build
> or
> > debug visible already, without fixing the mainwindow size even
> >
> > So, choosing a sane default, netbooks these days seem to have 1024x768
> > already, so I've resized the window to that (aproximately, taking a panel
> > into account) and we get:
> > http://www.apaku.de/vardata/kdev4_initial_sane_size.png
> >
> > Again, without the area-actions and probably some less separators we'd
> have
> > the 5-6 most-used actions clearly visible and also the quickopen and
> > contextbrowser. So the user is surely aware of both widgets and both are
> > usable too as the expanded widget they show when activating them resizes
> > itself so that it shows all the information needed.
> >
> > And looking at:
> > http://www.apaku.de/vardata/kdev4_initial_ctxbrws.png
> >
> > I can even use the context browser to see in which function I am in
> simpler
> > code (which is what beginner users will have usually).
> You can see a little fraction of the function you're in, and only in
> 'simple'
> code. It should _always_ show at least the whole function name, else it is
> not
> really useful.
>
> Am I really the only one who thinks that the screenshots you've sent are
> ugly?
> Do you really think that is a good user interface for an IDE? Apart from
> the
> wasted space, it looks cluttered due to the text and the large vertical
> size
> of the toolbar.
>
> This is how it IMO should look:
> http://zwabel.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/kdev5_ui_new_2.png
>
> You see the whole function you're in, and you have the maximum amount of
> vertical space available in the editor, both of which increase
> productivity.
>
> > Thats it, for me this case is clearly closed as removing the text doesn't
> > provide enough added value that make up for the problems caused by it.
> I'm not convinced yet, I would like to hear some more opinions.
>
> So, do you really think that this toolbar is better:
> http://www.apaku.de/vardata/kdev4_initial_ctxtbrws.png
> than this one:
> http://zwabel.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/kdev5_ui_new_2.png
> ? If the majority reall perfers the with-text version, I will be fine.
>
> Greetings, David
>
>
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To be fair, I don't really like yours either. I think having 2 lineedits is
disappointing.

In your proposal, if we didn't have 2 lineedits (or with both being shown)
we would even have place for the text. So the text is not the main problem.
If it's at right at least. If it's under the icon it's just too bad :P.

I usually disable text on toolbar, but I consider that this is personal and
I don't want to pollute other's KDevelop with my choices.

Thanks,
Aleix
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