KDevelop 3.0, this mailinglist and Bernd

[Omid Givi]

Hi Ralf,

I heard about this a couple of weeks ago. I don't know what to say right
now,
because I don't know nothin' about the version that Brend has worked on. I
know
a bit of his style of programming, and I know it's good. But if there's
gonna be
a replace of code, I'll like also to check it out first. Could you send me
the URL?
(I have not got any mail about it).

The future of KDevelop is very important to all of us. If replacement is the
solution,
we're gonna do it. But as I said, systematic, not just because it's workin.

Would you please inform me/us about Bernd's version a bit more?

Regards,
OmiD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mailing list agent [mailto:mdom at barney.cs.uni-potsdam.de]On Behalf
> Of Ralf Nolden
> Sent: woensdag 28 maart 2001 06:03
> To: kdevelop-devel at barney.cs.uni-potsdam.de
> Subject: KDevelop 3.0, this mailinglist and Bernd
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> after I'm back from Cebit and had a day to relax (halfway), here's some
> news and updates what's going on.
> First of all, I actually spent 3 days at Cebit after Torsten Rahn
> persuaded me to stay longer than planned. We had a private accomodation
> that was booked already and I got an exhibitor card via Caldera for the
> extra day. It was worth it as Bernd Gehrmann was there on monday and we
> had a good, long talk. I also had some productive conversations with
> attendants as well as holding the speeches once a day at the SuSE booth
> plus the extra one on Saturday at the Rheinland-Pfalz booth (which
> wasn't the big thing actually, because they only had one of the new flat
> TV screens for presentation which made it almost impossible to show
> things the way one could see everything from more than 2 meters away :-(
> ).
>
> As saturday was probably the hardest day (there were thousands of
> private attendants there all entering the SuSE booth - no chance to get
> away) I couldn't meet Falk - sorry for that. I was at your company's
> booth on monday together with Bernd to talk with you about 3.0 and
> things but we got to know you were already away since saturday night.
>
> Now, for other things. As said, the talk with Bernd was very productive.
> First of all, Sandy, can you make kdevelop-devel somehow public together
> with a mailing list archive ? Bernd said he doesn't know how to
> subscribe, so he thought it's very hard to enter real involvement in
> KDevelop development for people outside.
>
> Next is the plans for 3.0. As I mailed already to some of you and some
> may have noticed Bernd's mail with an URL to a screenshot of what he's
> currently doing, there's bigger changes ahead. Bernd has spent the last
> two month on working on a party new IDE that uses large parts of HEAD.
> He's got good solutions for old problems like the maintanence of the
> project file when working over CVS. His current version works only by
> Makefile.am's and Makefiles directly, so that an import of a projectfile
> isn't necessary any more. The only thing different is that each user has
> a projectfile for keeping information about the current workspace/opened
> files etc. That makes a lot of sense actually. Also there's
> functionality for
> -creating templates by perl-scripts
> -plugins (with own actions etc)
> -customizable Documentation tree
>
> He said he's got it working so far and will have it ready for public
> working by the end of next week. The idea behind it is that he realized
> noone (except Omid, Richard and others) is working on HEAD (kdevelop
> 3.0). To change that, we need a *working* version of Kdevelop to attract
> other developers. That is e.g. the case with Konqueror where now that it
> works and is released a lot of plugins are developed for it and khtml is
> getting better each day by the additions of other developers. To create
> the same scenario for kdevelop, we need to do a similar thing - which
> will have the "surprise, surprise" effect to everyone. Thus we will
> probably either replace the kdevelop module with a new one in CVS
> (because Bernd's file hierarchy is completely different and messing with
> the current one in HEAD would complicate more than necessary; I'll talk
> with coolo and david faure about that the next days to prepare
> everything) and freeze the current HEAD version.
>
> The other thing is now about the biggest changes like Richard's Java
> stuff. I asked Bernd about that and he said it wouldn't be much if any
> work to put it into his version; so we can take those over.
>
> Finally, with this I think we're looking into a much better future with
> 3.0. I guess we will be ready to ship the first beta versions of 3.0
> after KDE 2.2. Please speak up if you have any objections. I know that
> Omid and Falk may be a bit disappointed first because of the work they
> put into HEAD already but given the prospects of getting much more
> developers and having a working version it's worth not only considering
> this change but also doing it. I hope for everyone's understanding in
> case we're going that way - and it will make jbb hopefully work again
> :-)) as we get developers who are then really doing things.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ralf
> --
> Finally, even I have to admit that being myself was the best thing
> that ever could have happened to me. - Le Grand Charmeur
>
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