KDevelop 3.0, this mailinglist and Bernd

[Ralf Nolden]

Hi all,

after I'm back from Cebit and had a day to relax (halfway), here's some
news and updates what's going on.
First of all, I actually spent 3 days at Cebit after Torsten Rahn
persuaded me to stay longer than planned. We had a private accomodation
that was booked already and I got an exhibitor card via Caldera for the
extra day. It was worth it as Bernd Gehrmann was there on monday and we
had a good, long talk. I also had some productive conversations with
attendants as well as holding the speeches once a day at the SuSE booth
plus the extra one on Saturday at the Rheinland-Pfalz booth (which
wasn't the big thing actually, because they only had one of the new flat
TV screens for presentation which made it almost impossible to show
things the way one could see everything from more than 2 meters away :-(
).

As saturday was probably the hardest day (there were thousands of
private attendants there all entering the SuSE booth - no chance to get
away) I couldn't meet Falk - sorry for that. I was at your company's
booth on monday together with Bernd to talk with you about 3.0 and
things but we got to know you were already away since saturday night.

Now, for other things. As said, the talk with Bernd was very productive.
First of all, Sandy, can you make kdevelop-devel somehow public together
with a mailing list archive ? Bernd said he doesn't know how to
subscribe, so he thought it's very hard to enter real involvement in
KDevelop development for people outside.

Next is the plans for 3.0. As I mailed already to some of you and some
may have noticed Bernd's mail with an URL to a screenshot of what he's
currently doing, there's bigger changes ahead. Bernd has spent the last
two month on working on a party new IDE that uses large parts of HEAD.
He's got good solutions for old problems like the maintanence of the
project file when working over CVS. His current version works only by
Makefile.am's and Makefiles directly, so that an import of a projectfile
isn't necessary any more. The only thing different is that each user has
a projectfile for keeping information about the current workspace/opened
files etc. That makes a lot of sense actually. Also there's
functionality for 
-creating templates by perl-scripts
-plugins (with own actions etc)
-customizable Documentation tree

He said he's got it working so far and will have it ready for public
working by the end of next week. The idea behind it is that he realized
noone (except Omid, Richard and others) is working on HEAD (kdevelop
3.0). To change that, we need a *working* version of Kdevelop to attract
other developers. That is e.g. the case with Konqueror where now that it
works and is released a lot of plugins are developed for it and khtml is
getting better each day by the additions of other developers. To create
the same scenario for kdevelop, we need to do a similar thing - which
will have the "surprise, surprise" effect to everyone. Thus we will
probably either replace the kdevelop module with a new one in CVS
(because Bernd's file hierarchy is completely different and messing with
the current one in HEAD would complicate more than necessary; I'll talk
with coolo and david faure about that the next days to prepare
everything) and freeze the current HEAD version. 

The other thing is now about the biggest changes like Richard's Java
stuff. I asked Bernd about that and he said it wouldn't be much if any
work to put it into his version; so we can take those over. 

Finally, with this I think we're looking into a much better future with
3.0. I guess we will be ready to ship the first beta versions of 3.0
after KDE 2.2. Please speak up if you have any objections. I know that
Omid and Falk may be a bit disappointed first because of the work they
put into HEAD already but given the prospects of getting much more
developers and having a working version it's worth not only considering
this change but also doing it. I hope for everyone's understanding in
case we're going that way - and it will make jbb hopefully work again
:-)) as we get developers who are then really doing things.

Regards,

Ralf
-- 
Finally, even I have to admit that being myself was the best thing
that ever could have happened to me. - Le Grand Charmeur

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Ralf Nolden

The KDevelop Project
http://www.kdevelop.org

nolden at kde.org
rnolden at kdevelop.org
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