Plugins mean extensibility (Re: Kate part in KDevelop-2 working)

[Victor Röder]

Hi, Joseph!

> The big problem with all those open source projects, even those which I 
> work at, ist that the developers only code for fun, but don't really think
> about usability, GUI design, ...... And this is the point, why will loose
> in the long run and Microsoft (or other companies, which behave like them)
> will win. Even though their products are instable and have many design
> mistakes, they concentrate on only one thing and at least try to write
> usefull integrated applications. Look at our open source products. Look at
> gideon, or other IDEs, office packages, .... . They are all patchwork. Even
> they have good underlying technologies and are mostly quite stable, they
> are only patchwork, because we try to be over extensable. Look at gideon,
> there is now real GUI concept in it, at least I, and some of my friends
> (not KDE developers) see it that way. Microsoft offers one editor, which is
> fully integrated in ther IDEs, and always supports all features and even
> though many people think working with those IDE's is a pain, they use it,
> look at Borland and others, they all loose against Microsoft.
> All in all,I look indifferently at these editor interface quarrels, they
> are just a good example of wide spread, instead of concentrated efforts,
> and that's why Open Source, despite all other opinions will fail in the
> long run. Be it office packages, editors, IDEs, ...... .

Hmmm, you are partly right. Comparing the usability of KDE 2.2.x(!) with the 
one of Windows 2000 or XP, KDE looses, because of speed, memory usage and 
integration. I think what these "KDE vs. Win" - Contests write, is a lie.
But you don't have to forget, where Linux stood from 6 years ago. And this 
comparsion is more interesting :-).

> A person using vim, or pico (like me) won't use an IDE anyways, because
> they think it's bloated, even if their editor could be embedded. (Would
> someone be interested in writing a pico integration ?).
>
> I just want to say: Stop believing in over extensibility, which is not
> really needed, concentrate on the core. Gideon is a mess: many plugins, but
> not really a usefull common GUI.

Did you have a look at the version number of Gideon?
I listened to a talk today at our university about "Extreme Programming" and 
under this topic software which hasn't been tested and verified by the user, 
does simply not exist.
That means Gideon doesn't exist yet, therefore it neither has no inconsistent 
GUI, nor too many plug-ins... :-).
For my self: I try to help because I don't have nothing better to do and I 
think there should exist some alternatives.
I don't want to compete to Microsoft. Not *really*.

So continue "kickin' asses and chewin' bubble gum!" :-)

Btw.: What I have said about Gideon is MY opinion and NOT that of the team or 
so.

Bye,
	Victor