a concept is needed! (was: Re: A final word (was:Re: What's up and what's hot))

[Ralf Nolden]

On Friday, 10. August 2001 21:16, you wrote:
> After talking to you here and falk and harryF on IRC yesterday, I think
> I'll try to proceed as follows:
>
> Step 1, make Kate a functional part on KDevelop2, this assumes I can
> find time to redesign and rewrite docViewMan
>
> Step 2, port this docViewMan w/kate to gideon or a gideon branch
>
> Step 3, work with Matthias to get his editor interface ported on top of
> this
>
> If this is acceptable, I will not further pursue any work on KDevelop-2
> but instead switch to KDevelop-3

Ok, you're booked for this seat, please follow the stewardess to sit you :) 
Fasten your seatbelts so we can take off ...whooohooo :))

WB Roland, glad you're here :)

Ralf
>
> Roland
>
> --- "F at lk Brettschneider" <gigafalk at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Matthias Hoelzer-Kluepfel wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Sandy Meier wrote:
> > > > > - abstract editor interface, yeah it lets me use NEdit, so
> >
> > what, I can
> >
> > > > > go to tools and start NEdit on the file, that's all the benefit
> >
> > I can
> >
> > > > > see from this as of know.
> > > >
> > > > No, if you click in the classview NEdit jumps to the correct
> >
> > position. I
> >
> > > > think editor plugins are a interesting technical challenge and in
> >
> > my opinion
> >
> > > > it works very well. (Thanks to Matthias, really got job!)
> > >
> > > As I said several times, it is not _only_ about switching
> > > editors. It is also about seperating the parts interface from
> > > the editor implementation we use. Even if we would support
> > > only kate, it would make sense not to use the kate interface
> > > directly, because we would then have to change the parts
> > > whenever kate changes its interface, which is something we
> > > can't control.
> > >
> > > > >Would the time have been better spent on much
> > > > > necessary improvements of kate? Are we that serious about KDE
> >
> > if we
> >
> > > > > cant even improve the core texteditor?
> > > >
> > > > Improving kate is not easy and if you want all features that
> >
> > emacs already
> >
> > > > had you will spend years on the implementation. Nevertheless we
> >
> > already
> >
> > > > extended kwrite/kate with some code hint functions (argHint,Code
> >
> > completion
> >
> > > > box). I hope we will merge it with the official version in some
> >
> > months.
> >
> > > I think kate is evolving quite well, and I guess that the kate
> > > plugin will be the defacto standard used in kdevelop. As I
> > > said, being able to switch editors is something that will make
> > > kdevelop usable for some developers, but the default will
> > > definitely be kate as editor part.
> >
> > Matthias, Roland, at the moment there is just DARK FOG about the core
> > functionality editor-handling/document-view-handling/visualization.
> >
> > >>>> Can you show us a how to get all 3 components in a concept? <<<<
> >
> > ...That is the main problem.
> > (The old HEAD before Gideon had a stopped development exactly because
> > of
> > that problem and not because of instability in the MDI (Ralf was
> > wrong
> > saying that.))
> >
> > Currently, we have these puzzle pieces that could be used:
> > - QextMDI is ready to use for the visualization part (at least for 3
> > GUI
> > modes).
> > - There is some kind of a splitter-view manager in Gideon.
> > - There is DocViewMan of KDevelop-2.
> > - There are two concepts for the editor: Roland's Kate approach and
> > your
> > editor-interface
> >
> > Cheers,
> > F at lk
> >
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