[kdepim-users] [EXTERNAL] filters on ongoing messages sucks

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Samstag, 26. Mai 2012 schrieb Kevin Krammer:
> On Saturday, 2012-05-26, O. Sinclair wrote:
> > On 25/05/12 20:34, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> > > On Friday, 2012-05-25, Jerome Yuzyk wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 01:26:35 PM Kevin
> > >> Krammer<krammer at kde.org>
> > >> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> They way I see it James' suggestion is right on. You should
> > >>> consider using Thunderbird, Claws, Evolution, or KMail 1 if you
> > >>> are unhappy with KMai 2.
> > >> 
> > >> Is there a way (in Fedora) to move forward with KDE and ignore
> > >> KMail2 but keep KMail1?
> > > 
> > > You'll have to ask on a Fedora list, it works fine that way on
> > > Debian.
> > 
> > Interesting. I am on Kubuntu, as I guess you know is Debian-based,
> > but have not seen any option to reinstall KDEPIM 1. How is that done
> > in Debian, special repository or what?
> 
> I only have the Debian unstable repositories so I guess for Debian it
> is the other way around, i.e. you have to add special experimental
> repositories to get the new versions.

Currently I am not aware of any binary package repositories for KDEPIM 2 
for Debian. I am sure that the Debian Qt/KDE team does not provide official 
packages yet.

> The reason is most likely that Debian's process works differently.
> Things enter at Unstable and automatically move to Testing after a
> certain time (two weeks IIRC) if there are no packaging conflicts. And
> at some point Testing becomes the next Stable.

The Debian Qt/KDE team specifically decided to use KDEPIM 4.4.11 with their 
first KDE SC 4.6.5 upload that would otherwise have included KDEPIM 2.

As for what the reasons were I think its better to ask them. I heard that 
there have been usability and stability concerns.

> So Debian needs to make decisions on viability for Stable more or less
> before letting something into Unstable.
> 
> If I understand correctly other distributions that are somewhat similar
> to Debian Unstable do not have that automatism when it comes to their
> respective Stables, e.g. if we treat Fedora as a kind of
> Unstable/Testing for Red Hat, then Red Hat will still apply manual
> selection from things that have been successfully deployed on Fedora
> systems.

For what I know Debian is the only distribution with three-tier staging 
system:

- Unstable
- Testing
- Stable

A specific Testing suite is missing in other distributions AFAIK.

Add to that the experimental repository for packages should not enter 
testing at the moment of time. Current KDE SC 4.8.3 packages are there or 
even in experimtal-snapshots at http://qt-kde.debian.net

KDE SC 4.7.4 is in unstable except for KDEPIM 2. KDEPIM is still at 
4.4.11.

The Debian Qt/KDE team intends to ship 4.8.4 for Wheezy. Whether that 
included KDEPIM 2 or not does not seem to be finally decided yet.

> No idea how Kubuntu selects packages for their Stable product.

Apparently they decided for KDEPIM 2.

Eitherway on each distro it seems you have to rebuild packages your self 
or compile KDEPIM 2 manually to get another version as the one provided by 
the maintainers.

So its currently KDEPIM 1 only for Debian and KDEPIM 2 only for lots of 
other distributions.

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Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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