[kdepim-users] fancy headers

[Kishore]

On Monday 17 Aug 2009 11:23:09 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote:
> On Monday 17 August 2009 08:19:54 am Kishore wrote:
> > On Monday 17 Aug 2009 1:50:27 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote:
> > > On Monday 17 August 2009 03:12:12 am Gary C Curtin wrote:
> > > > On Monday 17 August 2009 8:52:43 Bruce MacArthur wrote:
> > > > > I guess I have "NO idea" of what you are really talking about
>
> doing!
>
> > > I
> > >
> > > > > have that setting (view, etc.) selected and ALL of my messages
>
> show
>
> > > up
> > >
> > > > > with (would you guess it?) "Fancy Headers"!  Even when I look at
>
> old
>
> > > > > ("archived" in folders) messages, they will have the headers
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> that I
>
> > > have
> > >
> > > > > most-recently specified.  That is precisely what I would expect
>
> to be
>
> > > > > meant by "setting it to default".
> > > > >
> > > > > You must have something else in mind, but I cannot guess what!
>
> If
>
> > > you
> > >
> > > > > mean that you want to impose your preferences upon the people
>
> and
>
> > > groups
> > >
> > > > > with whom you correspond -- YOUR style of headers on the
>
> messages
>
> > > THEY
> > >
> > > > > receive from you -- that simply is not an option.  They
>
> (properly)
>
> > > have
> > >
> > > > > the right to decide, within the limits of their respective mail-
> > >
> > > client's
> > >
> > > > > capacities, how they want THEIR headers to appear.
> > > >
> > > > The setting does not remain with me. If I open a message and set
>
> the
>
> > > header to
> > >
> > > > fancy then close the message, it reverts to the default setting. I
> > >
> > > think the
> > >
> > > > term used is non-persistant. I went through all the possible
>
> settings
>
> > > in
> > >
> > > > Kontact and could not find anywhere to set this permanently.
> > > >
> > > > My installation is from the opensuse KDE 4 factory repository, so
> > >
> > > maybe it is
> > >
> > > > broken somehow. I remember back in 3.x versions of KDE it was fine,
>
> but
>
> > > have
> > >
> > > > had this problem in more recent KDE 4.x versions.
> > > >
> > > > So with a bit of trial and error, I worked it out, now with the
>
> date.
>
> > > > For the fancy headers, the two lines in /.kde4/share/config/kmailrc
> > >
> > > should be:
> > > > [Reader]
> > > > header-set-displayed=rich
> > > > header-style=standard
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the trouble, but thanks for the input Bruce.
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > Hello, Gary --
> > >
> > > You have now specified something that I, myself, simply would NOT do.
> > > Let me cite the specific distinction.  You said that you began by
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> opening
>
> > > a message -- and THEN change the setting.  I do NOT do that.
>
> Instead, I
>
> > > simply change the setting.  This is NOT a "per-message" setting at
>
> all;
>
> > > it IS a "persistent" setting, and it should be treated accordingly.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, if you are getting the results that you want in
>
> some
>
> > > other way, and if the other method does not create its own package
>
> of
>
> > > problems for you(!), then don't mess with your setting needlessly!!!
>
> I
>
> > > really hope that things work as you want them to!
> >
> > I would myself never have done it the way Gary did it here. i.e. Open
>
> the
>
> > message to its own window and then change the setting. And that is
>
> because I
>
> > rarely open a message into a separate window. Never the less I do not
>
> think
>
> > that Gary did it wrong. Don't you think that setting settings made in
>
> the
>
> > separate message view window should in a way trickle down into the
>
> KMail
>
> > settings? It does not seem to make much sense to have that setting
>
> otherwise.
>
> > It seems very unlikely IMHO that one would want to make that setting
>
> for just
>
> > that one instance of a message view.
>
> Hello, Kishore --
>
> I gather that your question is directed to me. (If that is an error,
> please forgive my blunder!) 

It was not specifically directed at you. More at the devs really. :)

> I think that I agree with you.  I view this
> as a "global" or "universal" setting in that it immediately affects every
> message. Therefore, I would not think in terms of modifying a single
> message -- in fact, I doubt that it is even POSSIBLE to have that
> selective kind of effect in this context!  So I would ignore each
> message, and choose my preferred setting.  But, precisely because it
> SEEMS TO BE a universal setting, I agree that it should not make too
> much difference whether or not a particular message is "open" at the time
> of a change.  And I also agree that it makes very little sense to make
> such a change, trying to aim that change at ONLY one or two specific
> messages -- because I do NOT think that this will work at all.
>
> As noted, I may not have understood quite what Gary really wants to do;
> he has (off-list) faulted himself for posting to a user-list rather than
> a technical list.  And he seems to enjoy or prefer modifying
> configuration files rather than availing himself of the tools built into
> K-Mail for everyday practical use.  I hope he finds what he wants and
> needs, regardless of how it is implemented.  And I wish the same for
> those who may consult this thread on the archives!

As such i completely agree that what Gary tried to do is wrong (Editing config 
files manually) and should not be done unless one knows very well what (s)he 
is doing. But as i understood, Gary first tried to set the option in the GUI 
which did not persist which is when he attempted editing config files. In any 
case he usage only made me realize that there are options in the message view 
(for fancy headers and others too) which should perhaps not be there at all 
and if present, which is the current case, the settings should persist.
-- 
Cheers!
Kishore
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