[kdepim-users] annoying wallet -> problem solved , thanx guys :)

[O. Sinclair]

Roy J. Tellason wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 23:32, you wrote:
>> Roy J. Tellason wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 16:07, Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 19:55:24 Pastor JW wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 11:24, slawko.skrzynka at poczta.fm wrote:
>>>>>> I have disabled wallet within KDE Control Center as you suggested.
>>>>>> There was additional authorization from mail server necessary, and the
>>>>>> password was saved in KMail config file. It is a bit sad that it was
>>>>>> impossible to reconfigure the wallet, because I think that it's
>>>>>> concept to store passwords in encrypted area is a good idea. As this
>>>>>> case shows wallet probably needs some improvement  on automatic usage
>>>>>> by some applications. On my PC I found that wallet was configured in a
>>>>>> way, that it permanently enabled Konqueror. I thought it should be
>>>>>> possible to grant such privileges to KMail also, but there was no
>>>>>> visible option to add another application to the list of preferred
>>>>>> users in Wallet.
>>>>> I agree 100 percent but alas the inability to allow unattended
>>>>> downloading of e-mails makes it unusable for me.  That and the fact I
>>>>> had several unexplained crashes of K-mail which went completely away
>>>>> once I disabled K-wallet.  See, for me, there is little point in having
>>>>> the mailer periodically check for new messages if I have to be at the
>>>>> computer to give a password anyway!  My computer is supposed to make
>>>>> things easier and save ME time with my chores in the process, not
>>>>> become an added chore!  The main point with Linux in the first place
>>>>> was the ability to configure the OS in the manner it worked best for
>>>>> you, ...not forced to use it in the way dictated by companies looking
>>>>> only to squeeze more money out of me like MickySoft is guilty of.  I,
>>>>> in fact, tend to rebel against arrogance!  Its my money and I demand
>>>>> the right to spend what of it the government doesn't take away from me
>>>>> in the manner I desire.
>>>> For crying out loud!  Do you really think I sit in front of kmail all
>>>> day? My mail is downloaded every 5 minutes from 6am to 11pm.  AND I USE
>>>> WALLET.
>>> Your choice,  of course.
>>>
>>> Hey,  here's a really radical thought.  How about when the folks that are
>>> doing all the things that they're doing with this software change
>>> something, they do so IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T BREAK WHAT EXISTING USERS ARE
>>> USED TO DOING?
>> I have not quite followed this thread but let me repeat what Anne says:
>> the wallet can easily be configured to be opened (with password) once
>> only, the first time any software wants to use it (Kopete, Kontact or
>> other). Thereafter it will not bother you until you restart the PC and I
>> assume you are around then. I also auto-check various accounts
>> periodically and have wallet set up so that it wont bother me.
>> Siinclair
> 
> Let me see if I can make my point here...
> 
> In the version of kmail that I used before the whole wallet thing came along,  
> I put the necessary info into the configs once,  and that was the end of it.  
> Now,  with things changed to require the user to go to the wallet config 
> stuff and uncheck boxes _THAT ARE CHECKED BY DEFAULT_ this means that you get 
> nagged by the system until you go in there and "fix" it.  Therefore,  in this 
> view of stuff,  they've gone and broken things that were formerly working.
> 
> I don't care too much for this approach to things when it comes to software.  
> If they want to add the thing in,  and offer it to those that want to use it,  
> fine.  But don't make me have to go in there and fiddle with more stuff that 
> I didn't have to be bothered with before because you think it's a good idea!  
> That's just bloody annoying.
> 
Well, I meant this to the list and not to you as a person, got the 
reply-to wrong. But I have yet to come across a distro of KDE that do 
not use Kwallet by default, not meaning that you can not disable it. And 
if KDE use it then Kmail will use it unless told not to.

As I said - I did not follow the thread from start and it has little to 
do with how "I like it". I sometimes find Kwallet good, sometimes not. 
But the concept is not overly irritating if I get to put my password 
once, no more than giving the sudo/admin password.

Sinclair
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