Installing Kdenlive-git from AUR on Arch not installing essential dependencies

[Jesse DuBord]

Sounds good buddy. Appreciate the explanation! :)


On 11/18/2016 01:30 PM, Evert Vorster wrote:
> Hi there, Jesse.
>
> Arch is primarily a lightweight no-nonsense distribution. The package manager is driven from the terminal, and installing a package from aur "the Arch way" already involves quite a bit of typing, and a sharp learning curve. More like a wall. :P
>
> Adding in any dependency that is not strictly required as a non-optional is frowned upon in the community.
>
> I believe the stable (non-git) version of kdenlive also does not pull in breeze and frei0r. It does not even pull in ffmpeg!
>
> When using Arch's package manager you are told that there are optional packages when you install kdenlive, and whether they are installed or not.
>
> A lot of the wrappers around the Arch pacman do the same. (I use yaourt)
>
> I use the Breeze dark theme myself, have everything and the kitchen sink installed... I need about 100Gb of disk space for the OS to run Arch the way I like, but that's because I like it like that.
>
> The free software movement is firstly about choice of the user, and that spirit is strong in Arch.
> We try to accommodate everybody. :)
>
> -Evert-
>
>
> 18.11.2016, 21:02, "Jesse DuBord" <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>:
>> Thanks for the reply Evert. All fair points. I have a better
>> understanding of how a non-optional dependency is defined, now.
>>
>> I suppose I see it as a user-friendliness issue. When installing
>> Kdenlive out-of-the-box, currently on Arch, it doesn't have the same
>> consistent (dare I say "intended") look, and the effects and transitions
>> lists are much fewer without the frei0r-plugins package. Many users
>> might not even be aware that there are a lot more FX and transition
>> options available with this package installed, nor would they even know
>> that they have to install this additional package to get there, you know?
>>
>> I'm simply thinking about user-friendliness, convenience, and a more
>> complete out-of-the-box experience without extra steps needed by the
>> user. Certainly not saying how things should be done, but just giving
>> some input that might be of help in improving Kdenlive for some users.
>> Completely understand where you're coming from, though. :)
>>
>> Cheers mate!
>>
>> JRD
>>
>> On 11/18/2016 12:53 PM, Evert Vorster wrote:
>>>   Hi there, Jesse.
>>>
>>>   I maintain both the kdenlive-git and kdenlive-applications-git
>>>   packages in Arch.
>>>
>>>   The software functions without these packages installed, which means
>>>   that they are optional. I was asked specifically to make these
>>>   packages optional.
>>>
>>>   There are some users that do not want to install the whole kde just to
>>>   have a good video editor. Breeze is quite a large download for someone
>>>   on dial-up, for instance.
>>>
>>>   I am not in the business of telling people how to use their computers,
>>>   and if some people want to use kdenlive without the above-mentioned
>>>   packages installed, it is possible. Making a package non-optional
>>>   removes that possibility, and is not a very nice thing to do to quite
>>>   a surprisingly large group of people.
>>>
>>>   So, yes there is a way, but no, I am not going to do it.
>>>
>>>   Kind regards,
>>>   Evert
>>>
>>>   On 18/11/2016, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>   I'd noticed during a test build & install of Kdenlive-git from AUR on
>>>>   Antergos (Arch Linux) that it doesn't install the breeze, oxygen-icon or
>>>>   frei0r-plugins packages by default, which eliminates the possibility of
>>>>   the new dark default Breeze look after install as well as some icons and
>>>>   effects.
>>>>
>>>>   Evert, I believe you have some part in the packaging for the git master
>>>>   build on AUR, yeah? Is there a way these packages could be added as
>>>>   dependencies, and not optional ones? Does anyone disagree that these
>>>>   should be recognized as non-optional dependencies for Kdenlive to
>>>>   function as expected?