[Kdenlive-devel] TalkOSS and Kdenlive

Mon Jun 14 17:14:08 UTC 2010

2010/6/13 Andrew Manson <g.real.ate at gmail.com>:
> Hi Simon,
> Thanks for the well wishes and hopefully being Irish might bring me enough
> luck to get this working ;) I'm currently working on the project now
> actually, one of the things that I didn't mention in my original email is
> that I already professionally recorded Ogg Camp in Liverpool this year
> (oggcamp.org) An Have at least 9 talks, 18 tapes, that I am in the process
> of editing. I've already identified 2 crashes and added bug reports to the
> MTL library tracker so one could argue that it's already paying off!
> I completely agree with the point of having to improve MLT. I want to
> develop a new MTL feature myself but I just haven't quite figured out the
> application stack and what needs to go where quite yet, I will be emailing
> this list with my feature requests/ideas/plans sometime soon (when I get a
> second to do it).
> I presume there will be some MLT hackers on this list too or should I seek
> out the MLT mailing list and start the discussion there too? what do you
> think?

I am the primary MLT developer. Occasionally, Kdenlive developers JBM
and Marco Gittler help, not to mention the occasional outside
contribution. FYI, I am not short on ideas or projects, but if you
plan to contribute and need some guidance, then I will try to help. As
long as what needs discussion is related to Kdenlive, it probably
makes sense to use this mailing list.

> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On 13 June 2010 13:08, Simon A. Eugster <simon.eu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> Sounds interesting. This kind of development (start working on a project
>> and add missing features) is my favourite one :)
>>
>> Depending on what you'll need it actually won't be kdenlive only to
>> improve
>> but also MLT.
>>
>> Looking forward to your project, and good luck!
>> Simon
>>
>> On 11.06.2010 09:32, Andrew Manson wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > I was chatting on the IRC channel Wednesday night with Alberto and got a
>> > chance to a discuss proposal I have for the Kdenlive team with him. All
>> > and all Alberto seemed like he liked the idea but urged me to bring the
>> > discussion up on the mailing list, so that's why I'm here!
>> >
>> > I would call myself a KDE developer (even though I have not been
>> > developing for a while now) and have worked quite extensively on the
>> > Marble Desktop Globe project. Lately I have been working on a new
>> > project, apart from development, that will need some help/collaboration
>> > from the Kdenlive team and hopefully will end up with a mutually
>> > beneficial relationship between Kdenlive and TalkOSS.
>> >
>> > The "big idea" is actually quite simple but has not yet been done quite
>> > right by anyone else. Let me explain....
>> >
>> > We have many great Open Source Conferences around the world that are
>> > informative, useful to the community and sometimes quite entertaining. A
>> > lot of effort has been put into the organisation of the kind of events
>> > and at some of them (sometimes only ones with bigger budgets) there has
>> > been some effort put into recording the conferences. I have been to two
>> > of the larger ones that have had these higher budget recordings but
>> > there has been something lacking from these recordings and that has
>> > resulted in some pretty poor quality videos being released sometimes up
>> > to 4 months later than the conference. An example of such a video is
>> > currently up on my website www.talkoss.com <http://www.talkoss.com>.
>> >
>> > My vision is to have professional people record these conferences,
>> > because that professional edge will be noticed instantaneously in the
>> > quality of the videos. Also I would like to have one place on the
>> > Internet where everyone can come together and watch these videos without
>> > having to go to disparate corners of the Internet to piece together an
>> > experience of a conference. There needs to be no barrier to entry in
>> > either the quality or the availability of the videos and I hope to be
>> > the man to give that to the world, with a bit of help.
>> >
>> > This is where you guys come in. If I am planning to provide the world
>> > with professional quality videos I need a professional quality editing
>> > suite to edit them. I could invest in a professional suite like Adobe
>> > Final Cut pro but this is a no-go for 2 reasons. Firstly I will be
>> > starting this venture on a donations only basis to hopefully just break
>> > even and spending all of the generous donations on licencing fees
>> > instead of putting it to good work would seem criminal. Secondly, and
>> > this is much more important in my opinion, I don't believe that it is
>> > inherently *right* to be in the business of promoting open source and
>> > not be using open source tools for the entire process. This probably
>> > shows up my feelings about open source quite strongly but I a am a
>> > fanatic an I will always strive for what I believe in, and never
>> > compromise on the important things.
>> >
>> > Having made the decision to use open source tools I will inevitably be
>> > compromising on the stability and feature set of the editing suite for
>> > what I believe in, but I only see this as a short term problem. One of
>> > the things that I mentioned to Alberto on Wednesday was that I really
>> > like the concept of the Blender Foundation's "Project Peach" which most
>> > of you will know as Big Buck Bunny. They set out to produce a
>> > professional quality short animated film with blender and at any
>> > stumbling block where they needed a particular feature or the stability
>> > of the core was not up to scratch they had a team of developers to
>> > improve the blender software so that they could get the job done. This
>> > was a very successful project and ended up in some really exciting
>> > improvements being made to Blender and I don't see any reason why we
>> > cannot recreate the same effect. The "big project" this time will be
>> > TalkOSS.
>> >
>> > This is enough for my introductory email. I will need to start some
>> > separate discussions on what I feel we need to do, organisationally, to
>> > get this idea off the ground but those should be discussion items and
>> > should be separate from this email. And also, just to be clear, I'm not
>> > just coming around here asking for you guys to develop things for me so
>> > that I can get TalkOSS off the ground. I am instead offering my services
>> > as a developer and a heavy user/tester but my focus will be more so
>> > using the tool instead of developing new and exciting features that I
>> > won't need, in very much the same way as the Big Buck Bunny crew did.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry for the really long email but this is actually my first public
>> > announcement of the TalkOSS project and I wanted it to be complete.
>> > Please let me know what you all think of the idea and if you think we
>> > could work together on this one.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Chris Manson  (a.k.a Andrew, Chris is my middle name ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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