How should we present KDE Plasma desktop sessions to users?

[kkde at trixtar.org]

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:45:24 -0300
"Marcelo Magno T. Sales" <mmtsales at gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that. I want a system that actually works.

Ditto, but is there no easy way to swing a 
proprietary driver in/out at will? I look at 
my own case: the ONLY time that "I" need the
nvidia driver is while doing google-earth, 
remove that need from GE and I'm ok with 
nouveau. Else if I could toggle noveau/nvidia
in the control panel I'd be quite happy with
that too. A switch like nvidia+x/nouveau+wayland?





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> Em sex., 23 de out. de 2020 às 14:50, <kkde at trixtar.org> escreveu:
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> > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:53:48 +0200
> > Adrien Glauser <adrien.glauser at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > If no one on this list is available for discussing the topic quoted
> > > below, would you guys be so kind as to point me to the right people?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Adrien
> > >
> > > Le jeudi 22 octobre 2020 à 22:53 +0200, Adrien Glauser a écrit :
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I am part of a group of volunteers helping our distribution update
> > > > the user documentation, with the goal  of improving the learning
> > > > experience for new users.
> > > >
> > > > Now we all know Plasma has made tremendous progress with the wayland
> > > > and xwayland sessions . Unfortunately, as far as our support channels
> > > > are concerned, these improvements might not be readily enjoyable for
> > > > Nvidia users -- which is not surprising after all, as the meme says.
> > > > (Here I am talking about people who installed the proprietary driver,
> > > > typically for a laptop with both an Intel integrated and Nvidia
> > > > dedicated GPU. In this email I am talking about this category of
> > > > users, and about no other category).
> > > >
> > > > Thus we want to make recommendations to our new users, whether fresh
> > > > switchers from the non-Linux world, or Linux users coming from the
> > > > GNOME world, where full wayland sessions are working OK for most
> > > > including the category I am talking about.
> > > >
> > > > To make this assumption very clear: We feel like purely descriptive
> > > > information is not enough, because users are owed clear disclaimers
> > > > and warning signs when there is a live possibility that their sub
> > > > menus will be glitching and logoff process freezing. For us it's not
> > > > just about QA, it's also about basic respect for people who accepted
> > > > to get out their comfort zone to step into the Linux world.
> > > >
> > > > Bearing in mind this context, I am asking you the following: What is
> > > > the most honest and accurate thing to say to these users? Should we
> > > > either:
> > > >
> > > > a) Recommend the xorg session (because it's the most stable), and
> > > > make
> > > > no other recommendation? (saying for example that the QA testing
> > > > around
> > > > the other two is lacking, or something along these lines?)
> > > >
> > > > b) Recommend the xorg session, and recommend against the xwayland and
> > > > wayland? (saying what I believe to be true, that is, that the other
> > > > two
> > > > sessions make it impossible for them to experience Plasma as it is
> > > > meant to be)
> > > >
> > > > c)  Recommend all sessions in the sense that, contrary to my belief
> > > > and
> > > > knowledge, there actually is first-hand QA data supporting the idea
> > > > that all three sessions are OK for these users?
> > > >
> > > > I am putting this out with an open mind, so please correct me if I am
> > > > not portraying Plasma UX accurately. I am just trying to work with
> > > > the
> > > > evidence I have, and to use it as best as I can for our users.
> > > >
> > > > Also if you wonder why I am not writing to the Promo team at KDE
> > > > don't
> > > > wonder anymore: I have, and they acknowledge that this issue is a
> > > > little bit off their department.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers and thanks for reading,
> > > >
> > > > Adrien
> >
> > If you're aiming at new users I guess they would
> > have an even stricter expectation than I do and
> > I'm neither guru nor novice. From my perspective
> > anything that isn't bulletproof belongs in development,
> > period. I came to Linux because I want to be able
> > to do some cLi and customization and for the implied
> > security of open-sorce far from Redmond, I definitely
> > didn't do so to become a developper.
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