Yet another failed KDE release?

dE de.techno at
Tue May 7 16:32:52 BST 2013

On 05/07/13 20:03, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, James Tyrer wrote:
>> On 03/19/2013 09:58 AM, dE . wrote:
>> The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other
>> than producing a stable release.  It really is that simple.
> Well, simple and false :)
> Mostly because the conclusion is based on a misconception regarding KDE to be
> a single product.
> KDE is a software vendor with several dozend products, each developed by
> different people. Sometimes single developers, sometimes teams.
> Hence no such thing as a "KDE development team" exists as an entity by itself.
>> As a
>> result, the release process is not oriented towards producing a stable
>> release.
> As a result obviously also false, i.e. a non-existing entity doesn't have
> goals.
> Unless we employ thinking similar religious faith and assume an unobservable
> entity exists by people believing in it ;-)
>> I find very useful the dystopian novel: "The Rise of the Meritocracy"
>> which is a critique of the idea of "the meritocracy".  A meritocracy is
>> defined by the search for merit -- but that is dependent on the
>> definition of merit.  I find that I have no merit in the KDE project
>> despite the fact that I went to college and studied EE and computer
>> science.  In the KDE project, you obtain merit be designing a new
>> application.  So, that is the nail that everyone is hitting with their
>> hammer.
> Also not true.
> Most contributors at KDE are neither the designers nor maintainers of
> applications.
> A lot of contributors are not even coders or not contributing other things
> than writing code.
> Merit is gauged by the quality, reliability and dedication to the contribution
> area. In other words merit and recognition is earned through actual
> contribution, but that contribution can be a lof ot things other than code.
> This applies to the work on KDE activities and products but also to the
> foundation managing KDE's legal assets, KDE e.V.
> As a sample, the e.V.'s board of directories has currently one member out of
> five who's active contribution at the moment is code.
>> I don't want to do that.  I want to improve applications.  That is what
>> engineers do; we find the faults with things and fix them -- we improve
>> things.
> Sounds like a great opportunity then :)
>> Unfortunately, everyone designing new applications from square one is
>> not conducive to building a stable and bug free desktop environment.
> While only a fraction of developer work on applications of the desktop
> environment product, I'd say that even this is a over generalisation even for
> those.
> The only two applications in that category that I can come up with from the
> top of my head which have been "newly" introduced are Plasma Desktop and
> Dolphin. Most others, e.g. KWin, Klipper, KMix, have existed for ages.
> And while some developers on some of these applications might be more
> adventurous than others or developers on non desktop environment applications,
> I hadn't had an issue with any of those in quite some time.
>> There is nothing wrong with KDE that a few committed software engineers
>> -- committed to quality -- couldn't fix.  But, I don't think that the
>> hackers would like it.
> Well, being a conclusion based on a faulty analysis makes its content
> impossible to evaluate, but assuming for a moment that the analysis had not
> been wrong, then the only conclusion we could draw would be that there are
> either not software engineers committed to quality or that they have so far
> abstained from contributing their skills.
> Cheers,
> Kevin
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There is no misconception. KDE is always giving problems. Look at the 
bugzilla crawling with stale bugs.

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