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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/07/13 20:03, Kevin Krammer wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, James Tyrer wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 03/19/2013 09:58 AM, dE . wrote:
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<pre wrap="">The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other
than producing a stable release. It really is that simple.
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Well, simple and false :)
Mostly because the conclusion is based on a misconception regarding KDE to be
a single product.
KDE is a software vendor with several dozend products, each developed by
different people. Sometimes single developers, sometimes teams.
Hence no such thing as a "KDE development team" exists as an entity by itself.
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result, the release process is not oriented towards producing a stable
release.
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As a result obviously also false, i.e. a non-existing entity doesn't have
goals.
Unless we employ thinking similar religious faith and assume an unobservable
entity exists by people believing in it ;-)
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<pre wrap="">I find very useful the dystopian novel: "The Rise of the Meritocracy"
which is a critique of the idea of "the meritocracy". A meritocracy is
defined by the search for merit -- but that is dependent on the
definition of merit. I find that I have no merit in the KDE project
despite the fact that I went to college and studied EE and computer
science. In the KDE project, you obtain merit be designing a new
application. So, that is the nail that everyone is hitting with their
hammer.
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Also not true.
Most contributors at KDE are neither the designers nor maintainers of
applications.
A lot of contributors are not even coders or not contributing other things
than writing code.
Merit is gauged by the quality, reliability and dedication to the contribution
area. In other words merit and recognition is earned through actual
contribution, but that contribution can be a lof ot things other than code.
This applies to the work on KDE activities and products but also to the
foundation managing KDE's legal assets, KDE e.V.
As a sample, the e.V.'s board of directories has currently one member out of
five who's active contribution at the moment is code.
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<pre wrap="">I don't want to do that. I want to improve applications. That is what
engineers do; we find the faults with things and fix them -- we improve
things.
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Sounds like a great opportunity then :)
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<pre wrap="">Unfortunately, everyone designing new applications from square one is
not conducive to building a stable and bug free desktop environment.
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While only a fraction of developer work on applications of the desktop
environment product, I'd say that even this is a over generalisation even for
those.
The only two applications in that category that I can come up with from the
top of my head which have been "newly" introduced are Plasma Desktop and
Dolphin. Most others, e.g. KWin, Klipper, KMix, have existed for ages.
And while some developers on some of these applications might be more
adventurous than others or developers on non desktop environment applications,
I hadn't had an issue with any of those in quite some time.
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<pre wrap="">There is nothing wrong with KDE that a few committed software engineers
-- committed to quality -- couldn't fix. But, I don't think that the
hackers would like it.
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Well, being a conclusion based on a faulty analysis makes its content
impossible to evaluate, but assuming for a moment that the analysis had not
been wrong, then the only conclusion we could draw would be that there are
either not software engineers committed to quality or that they have so far
abstained from contributing their skills.
Cheers,
Kevin
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There is no misconception. KDE is always giving problems. Look at
the bugzilla crawling with stale bugs.<br>
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I thought this thread was dead.<br>
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