4.7 nepomuk won't die
1i5t5.duncan at cox.net
Sat Jul 30 10:45:39 BST 2011
Felix Miata posted on Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:48:20 -0400 as excerpted:
> I went into systemsettings to disable it. Now it periodically pops up a
> window telling me it's disabled. How do I make it go away, and stay
> openSUSE Factory (12.1M3)
> kdebase4-4.7.0-2.1.i586 kdebase4-libkonq-4.7.0-2.1.i586
> kdebase4-nsplugin-4.7.0-2.1.i586 kdebase4-openSUSE-12.1-39.1.i586
> kdebase4-runtime-xine-4.7.0-2.1.i586 kdebase4-session-4.6.95-11.1.noarch
Similar issues here, except that if you read the message (assuming it's
the same one I'm getting), it gives you a hint (only a hint, the below
explains in rather more detail) as to what's going on.
It seems to be akonadi actually doing the notification, because akonadi
uses nepomuk for some of its indexing (for things like kmail searches,
I'm told), apparently.
If you don't need akonadi, you can turn it off too, but at least
kaddressbook and kmail (and thus kontact) are akonadified and require it
now, as does korganizer.
knode isn't akonadified... yet, altho there's an akonadi news resource
that looks like they're headed in that direction, and akregator doesn't
yet require it either, but given the trend, probably will. IOW, pretty
much every kdepim component either already requires it, or it appears
that it will by 4.8 or 4.9.
And... the kdepim components that don't actually require it yet do
require kdepim-libs and kdepim-common-libs, the latter of which is part
of the kdepim module from kde and apparently must be built with akonadi
support regardless, thus bringing in akonadi if you're using any kdepim
apps at all, regardless of whether those apps actually require akonadi
The whole akonadi mess is why I just dumped kmail here (switching to the
gtk2 based claws-mail, which I'm quite happy happy with now that it's
setup, but the conversion process was a **BEAR**!!... talk about lockin!
you'd think there'd have reasonable conversion scripts and there sort of
were but they were outdated and I had to hack them to work on a current
system! plus I had to convert my 50 filters, with 1-10 filter conditions
and generally 2 actions each, by hand), as "I just need to do mail", not
get the US congress to agree on a debt limit increase!
Before 4.7 I ran 4.6.95 aka 4.7-rc2 for a couple weeks, along with kdepim
4.6.0 and 4.6.1 when they came out, so while I had adopted a wait-and-see
on the akonadification, I had some time to work with them, and even
ignoring the bugs, which might be assumed for an early akonadified kmail
release, I decided the whole akonadi system might well be perfectly fine
as an 18-wheeler semi-truck, but it was SIMPLY TERRIBLE as the sports-
convertible I was looking for! FWIW, I dumped amarok a couple years ago
for much the same reason, and there's quite a few people who would argue
that kde4 as a whole suffers from this repeated pattern, time and time
But, despite having done all the work to convert to claws-mail and dump
kmail before 4.7 itself came out, I've as yet been unable to get rid of
the akonadi dependency, because I'm still running akregator, which while
it doesn't have a direct akonadi dependency, as explained above, does
depend on kdepim-common-libs, which pulls in akonadi even if no apps the
user actually /wants/ to run requires it.
So now, I'm in the process of searching for a feed-reader replacement for
akregator. When I find one, I'll be able to dump kdepim entirely, and
thus akonadi and possibly soprano, etc. Further, since I'm on gentoo, I
should then be able to turn off USE=semantic-desktop, and thus will
hopefully be able to drop nepomuk, strigi, etc, entirely uninstalling
them. (This isn't likely to be possible on binary distros at all, unless
you build kde yourself, since many of those dependencies are decided at
build-time. But you could simply not run them!)
Meanwhile, while it appears something is auto-starting akonadi even tho I
no longer have any akonadi resources setup and don't actually need or
want it running at all, and from the looks of things there's no way to
turn it off in kcontrol (aka settings, called systemsettings even tho
most of them aren't, they're user-specific kde settings) as there is for
some kde services...
There IS a command that can be run to shut down akonadi from the command
I'd ordinarily setup a script for that to run when kde starts (with a
sleep 5 or the like if a delay is necessary to keep the stop command from
running before akonadi actually starts), but haven't bothered, since I
only have to worry about it only once per kde startup, and I'm in the
process of dropping akregator and thus being able to remove all things
kdepim and akonadi related from the system entirely, so I should only
have to worry about stopping akonadi 0-9 more times, regardless, then it
should be gone and I won't have to deal with it any longer!
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