KDEPIM 4.6 prob^Wimpressions
1i5t5.duncan at cox.net
Wed Jul 13 15:12:15 BST 2011
Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:20:50 +0200 as excerpted:
> Oh, these newsticker applets. The KDE4 one didn't do anything when I
> tried (a long time ago), but I don't like them anyway, they tend to
> distract me.
I got used to it after awhile...
But I had forgotten that kde4 even /had/ a knewsticker for awhile, then
it simply went away at some update or another.
Anyway, I know it was a bit dated as it only did rss and not atom feeds,
and there wasn't really a way to show anything but headlines (tho that
could in theory be arranged, a multi-line panel with the headline and say
the first 3-5 lines of story below), but I'd have certainly enjoyed an
updated newsticker than could handle atom, even if it only did
Or if akregator could close the browser pane and only show the feed tree
and "headers pane", with clicking on a header loading the full article in
the configured browser.
Or if combined mode (which is sort of headers mode with a summary, too)
had a selection indicator for the active entry, and a way to mark
individual articles read and to multi-select ranges and mark them read if
desired, much as one can headers in the header pane of kmail, for
But I miss the filters, too, especially as I try to make my feed-reading
time more efficient. There's a LOT of stories I'd filter if only I
could, while keeping those feeds.
So as I said, akregator just seems klunky and undeveloped. It's lacking
the basic features like pane management and filtering/scoring that any
basic article reading app really needs, whether it be news, mail, or
feeds. (I'm not a major IRC/IM user so I don't know if it could fit in
that class or not, but certainly the others do.) The lack of these
features only serve to accentuate how well they work where they're
(FWIW, kmail isn't perfect here either. If I had my way, I'd have it's
tri-pane layout arranged much like I do pan's, full width headers at the
top so I can get all the usual columns and a reasonable width subject/
title without horizontal scrolling, folder tree and body pane below, with
the folder tree actually to the right instead of the left, as to a
western left to right, top to bottom reader, the lower right is the low-
focus corner, and I spend far less times changing folders or newsgroups
than I do reading headers or their full messages, so the folder list
works real well there. But kmail's pane layout isn't as flexible as
pan's and while it has a short folder list option, it places it beside
the header pane which is the one that needs the extra width in the first
place, so there's little point! There's no option to place the short
folder list beside the message body pane, which is where I really need
it, even if it won't allow me to put the folder pane to the right, which
I'd actually prefer, but I'd settle for it to the left if only it could
be beside the body pane instead of the header pane! Pan by contrast has
a layout setup with three numbered panes in the various possible
configurations, and a separate setting that lets one choose which pane,
tree/header/body, corresponds to which number in the layout diagram, thus
making any possible arrangement of the three panes actually configurable.)
> BTW, since 4.6.5,
> Akregator saves the session / the open tabs, I was missing that before.
Yes. I'd noticed that in 4.7-rc2 (4.6.95). Didn't have time on 4.6.5 to
notice it. And when I was playing around with unstable opengl
screensavers and crashed, upon kde restart, akregator asked me if I
wanted to restore the previous session or not. That was a nice change,
altho the way I use it, not a hugely critical one. I'd be far happier if
they'd have implemented one of the layout ideas mentioned above, or
filters, but this was OK, and I guess it must be more useful for the
authors and probably many users, than my ideas would be.
But being nitpicky, since akregator is actually part of kdepim, that
change is actually in kdepim 4.6.1 (maybe 4.6.0?) not kde 4.6.5 or 4.7-
rc2. And I believe we're both on kdepim 4.6.1, so that's what would have
brought the change.
> [KDE4's Amarok]
> I can under stand this. But I'm happy with it, because while being
> entirely different, I like Amarok very very much.
I'm glad /somebody/ likes it! =:^)
>> [About the duplicate message warning that Kevin says is a known issue
> Well, that was yesterday morning, before the database change. After, it
> was fine again.
OK. I got the sequence wrong on that, then. I thought you'd done the db
change then seen the dup-notice again and triggered the issue by choosing
> Well... until I logged out. See below.
>> It worked here and I can see it in klipper. <shrug> Either you have
>> some other klipper related issue or some other akonadi issue, or
>> perhaps I didn't follow your reference correctly and you were talking
>> about something else entirely. That's entirely possible as the
>> reference wasn't entirely clear to me.
> Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Klipper is working fine, but I cannot
> access it by clicking its icon in the system tray.
OK, makes MUCH more sense, now! =:^) I was very confused on that one
for a bit.
But I /think/ I used klipper on 4.6.5, and /know/ I've used it on 4.6.95,
specifically by clicking the tray icon, without issues. So while I can't
quite confirm that it worked on 4.6.5, if it's still broken in the same
way on 4.7 (assuming of course they don't break it between rc2 and
release), it's gotta be something in your setup, as it is working here.
One thing that might make a difference, tho. I have my systray in a
panel at the top-left corner. If the bug is that it's opening the popups
down and right, I'd not see it as that's expected here, but it'd be off-
screen for systrays in the traditional bottom right corner. Since you
can have multiple systrays in kde4, why not add another systray plasmoid
somewhere else, even on the desktop, and see?
> When logging in, KDE did not come up. The splash screen stayed for
> longer than normal, then the screen went black, and stayed like this.
> Going black is normal, KDE takes about three minutes here until
> everything is started (plasma-desktop is using all the CPU during this
> time), but now it never finishes. I let it run for a couple of hours
> this night, then I killed plasma-desktop, and finally the desktop came
> up. I started plasma-desktop in a Konsole, but it still only eats CPU
> Time for testing with other users, old configs, bisecting... again.
Try renaming your $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc file.
That contains your entire plasma desktop layout (yes, in a very
complicated for kde config files SINGLE file!), so you'll lose that
unless you have a proper backup somewhere, but it's very likely to let
you back into plasma-desktop again, then. If that doesn't work, try the
other plasma* files in the same dir.
If you can't tell, I had problems with that one before, myself, tho they
were a bit different than yours (mine were magically multiplying
As I said, the file is quite complicated, so very difficult to edit
manually as you must pretty much reverse engineer what numbers correspond
to each container and plasmoid and how they relate to each other in the
hierarchy, but it's possible for the suitably patient and technically
inclined, as I did it, having little choice at the time because my layout
is so customized I didn't want to have to redo from scratch, and I didn't
have a good recent backup.
But once you realize how complicated that file is and the problems you
have if it gets corrupted, you'll tend to back it up periodically and
before playing to much with your plasma config. That way, if it gets
corrupted again, you can just restore the backup, and perhaps redo
whatever trivial changes you made since then, instead of having to redo
your whole plasma setup.
> And about KMail... it does not show _any_ mail any more. In the folder
> view, I see folders with unread messages, but those were still unread
> when I logged out of KDE. It does not scan for new mails. An when I
> select any folder, it does not show the contents, it just says it's
> fetching the contents, and I should wait.
That sounds like a problem I had right after the kmail2 conversion. I'm
not sure what caused it, but I know how I fixed it, tho it's a bit
complicated to explain (not that I let that stop me!). And there's still
a quirk to it.
The bottom line is that mail-fetching seems to work best if you configure
not kmail, but akonadi, to remember the passwords, etc. In your akonadi
resources, however you configure them (akonaditray/akonadi-kcm,
akonadiconsole, or thru kcontrol's akonadi resource config, tho that last
one might be a kde 4.7 change since I'm running rc2), find the resource
for each mail account and hit modify. This should popup a dialog with
the configuration, *AND* a kwallet prompt.
Type in the kwallet password and setup your account info including the
account password. Saving it here lets akonadi control it instead of
Do this with every account.
That should work fine, with akonadi handling the checking now instead of
kmail (tho again, I have pop3 not imap3 so there might be a few
differences in behavior I'm not aware of, but I expect they work
similarly in this regard), EXCEPT for the caveat.
When akonadi/kmail starts and does the initial fetch, for some reason
I've not quite figured out but that might be related to the fact that I
have pop3 accounts on two different servers, I have to actually type the
kwallet password twice.
But here's the trick. After I type it the first time, it'll apparently
check the first account(s), but then kmail will freeze, because it can't
get to the second set, because I haven't typed in the kwallet password
for it yet, because it hasn't prompted me for it, because apparently it
can only raise one prompt at a time!!
So every time I restart akonadi for whatever reason (be it just an akonadi
stop and restart, or kde, or a full reboot), I have to type in the first
kwallet password, then open kmail, look at the fetching mail thing at the
bottom right (which will sit there forever, doing nothing, waiting on a
kwallet dialog that I never got, if I don't attend to it), click the
little arrow beside it to expand the jobs, click the button to the right
of each to cancel it, wait a few seconds for it to actually cancel
(during which I can be canceling the others)...
Then when all of them are canceled and the back-and-forth indicator
disappears, indicating idle, *THEN*...
I can hit the kde fetch-mail again, and since it has the passwords for
the first account(s), it'll get them, but popup the kwallet dialog for
the other accounts, that were frozen in the fetching state before.
NOW I can type in the kwallet password a second time, and the second set
of accounts fetch.
After that, akonadi/kmail remembers the passwords and can continue the
periodic mail checks as it's configured to... until such time as I shut
down akonadi again and restart it, thus triggering the whole double-
kwallet password with the cancel-fetch in the middle sequence once again!
On the bright side, akonadi seems stable enough that I normally only have
to do this once per kde login. It'd certainly drive me crazy, or more
likely, very rapidly to some other client, if I had to go thru the
sequence for each mail check.
<shaking head> The stuff we put up with...
Anyway, see if either entering the passwords in the akonadi resource
instead of in kmail, or manually canceling and then doing a manual mail
check, probably triggering another kwallet password dialog, fixes the
problem for you.
> This is a bad morning. No Plasma (meaning also no panel, no system
> tray), no KMail. And Thunderbird has a weird problem, it does not check
> folders for new mails. I should do some work, but I guess I will spend
> some time making my desktop work again. <sigh>
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