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Eric egriffith92 at
Sun Jul 10 23:43:21 BST 2011

Arch I've used a lot in the past, but wireless is such a pain on Arch
>< The driver's arent the issue the ath9k driver has been in since
2.6.28 or somesomething like that.,I just can never get wpa_supplicant
to correctly connect to my network; and unfortunately, dropping the
security for a little bit to get everything set up isn't an option. I
would actually absolutely LOVE to have Arch installed, but
wpa_supplicant is just such a pain in the arse lol

Gentoo I had thrown on a spare machine last summer, did the entire
installation through my desktop via SSH so that I had a REAL web
browser on hand that I could use to have the Handbook available and
the part that I absolutely hated the most was use-flags because I
never knew what I would need in the future and so I would tend to just
compile them with everything anyway.

 Sabayon was one that I haven't tried out TOO Much, I used it a little
bit, and I  actually considered using it as a quick way to install
Gentoo and then just recompile via an emerge world, and then I found
that lately The Sabayon dev's have changed enough stuff that depending
on your amount of luck, going from Sabayon to Gentoo in the same
install, can take as much time as just installing stock Gentoo.

Much respect to the Gentoo devs for putting the system into place, it
couldn't have been easy and they do a great job at giving you the
tools and the materials, but not putting it together FOR you. but
waaaaaaaaay too much of a hassle with use flags ><,   atleast for me.

Side note: last time I tried building KDE from source was on FreeBSD,
on a pentium 4 with 1 gb of RAM..... 3 days after hitting 'enter,' its
still going...never...again...

Thankfully this laptop has a quadcore i7 but, just saying haha.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan at> wrote:
> Eric posted on Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:48:15 -0400 as excerpted:
>> The one big change from 4.7 that im looking forward to (hence the
>> kubuntu ppa to get it as fast as possible) Is the rewrite of the effects
>> engine to use OpenGL ES. Should speed things up quite a bit; hell I
>> might even be able to play 3D games with effects turned on come release
>> time haha.
>> Just of curiousity, what distro do you use, Duncan? I'm looking for a
>> really nice KDE distro, right now ive got Suse and PCLinuxOS in VM's and
>> im testing them out. The one thing I do like about Kubuntu is that with
>> ppa's I can have like any package I want but I hate how outdated some
>> things are, like the kernel and powertop (im a laptop user)
> FWIW, my distro's perfect for me, but it's not for everyone.  If you like
> the ability to heavily customize, however, and don't mind automated
> building from sources yourself, Gentoo's very possibly right down your
> alley, as it is mine. =:^)
> If you don't want to go that drastic, Arch is, from what I've read,
> effectively about half way between Gentoo and the usual binary distros,
> is said to be a very strong choice for kde users, and tends to be rather
> more updated than most distros, package-wise.
> Another alternative you may wish to look into is Sabayon.  They're gentoo
> based, but binary.  That makes for quick installs, and I'm told they work
> with and support both Gentoo's from-source and their own binary package
> tree, so for packages they don't carry or if you don't want to wait, just
> install the Gentoo package.  They had a new release just come out, with
> surprisingly new packages -- kde 4.6.4 and IIRC kernel or some
> such (tho notably, it stuck with gnome-2, if you're at all concerned
> about gnome, leaving gnome-3 for a later release).  I'm not close enough
> to them to know if they have kde 4.6.5 yet, but if not, it's available in
> gentoo (tho plan to spend a half-day building it at least, if you do it
> that way, depending on your CPU speed/cores and the memory you choose to
> use for it).
> And both Gentoo and Arch (not sure about Sabayon, but you can always use
> it as your Gentoo binary/quick install and switch, if it comes to it) are
> rolling update, so no more installation flag-days when who knows what
> breaks and you can't easily trace it down or revert because everything
> updated at once with the new distro release!  More frequent updates keep
> you current, and if something breaks, you only updated a few packages at
> once so it's FAR easier to track down, and downgrade that package again
> temporarily, if it comes to it.
> Other than that, the various distro beta versions get you newer packages
> faster.  I of course run Gentoo ~arch (gentoo's testing version), plus a
> few selected overlays for even newer stuff (like kde pre-releases and
> live-versions in the kde overlay).  Years ago, I ran mandrake (now
> mandriva) cooker.  There's also fedora rawhide, etc.
> --
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