Question about Kubuntu

Felix Miata mrmazda at
Fri Aug 12 09:54:30 BST 2011

Wilson, Richard composed:

> I have been using Fedora for years and prefer it, but a teammate has
> convinced me to try Ubuntu -- he's managed to dispose of everything
> Windows (ok, he runs an XP VM for those times he HAS to connect to a
> website that requires IE).  But everything else, including some weird
> VPN's we have to reach have just come up working for him. I am still
> trying to get one of them (Cisco AnyConnect) working under Fedora 15
> 64...

As he's suggested a change from Fedora, it may be related to Fedora being the 
foremost bleeding edge distro, while *buntu is a bit more conservative. If 
you're looking for less bleeding, but fewer differences, you may want to try 
another RPM distro. Or for greater flexibility, Debian proper.

Just so you are aware, *buntu is Debian-based, so you'll find more 
differences from what you're used to than you would if trying another RPM 
distro like openSUSE or Mandriva. The biggest difference is the low level 
package managers, dkpg in Debian, compared to rpm in Fedora. Fedora builds 
Yum/Yumex front ends on top of RPM, while Debians build Apt-get, Aptitude, 
Adept (which I routinely refer to as Inept), Smart & Synaptic front ends on 
top of Dpkg.

A major reason why I avoid routine use of Debians is the lumping of 
everything in to only two runlevels, single, which is as the name implies, 
and same as in Fedora: single user, no networking, no X.

Debian runlevel 2 is everything: full networking and X. This makes X 
troubleshooting rather clumsy compared to distros like Fedora and openSUSE 
that put multiuser+full networking in runlevel 3 and start GDM or KDM or 
equivalent only in runlevel 5.

> The last time I tried Ubuntu (it was the Karmic Koala release) I noticed
> that the download install DVD's came in 2 flavors, Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I
> am used to Fedora where I tell it to install KDE when I install the O/S.
> Are there still separate installation disks/processes for Ubuntu? If so
> what's the thinking behind that?  With Karmic I had to get an alternate
> Kubuntu DVD to work with my old hardware; my new hardware (hopefully)
> won't be so picky.

The thinking is a complete installation from a single _CD_. One initial 
facilitator of *buntu popularity was its distribution of free CDs merely for 
the asking. It may be that this policy remains in force. If now *buntus are 
available in DVD, it's a relatively recent development. On a CD, there's not 
room for a complete KDE and complete Gnome and the default apps that come 
with either, so different CDs have been provided according to which DTE is 
preferred. Any CD can be used as base to add any or all of the other 
available DTEs. IOW, if you install from a Kubuntu CD, adding Gnome can be as 
simple as running 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'.
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***
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