Do not mark upstream bug as Resolved in kde bug system

Ingo Malchow imalchow at
Tue Feb 12 16:56:57 UTC 2013

2013/2/12 Leon Feng <rainofchaos at>

> 2013/2/12 Albert Astals Cid <aacid at>
>> El Dilluns, 11 de febrer de 2013, a les 12:41:26, Leon Feng va escriure:
>> > Today I read a blog post about "Yet Another KDE QA Failure" here:
>> >
>> >
>> > In my opinion, the root cause of this problem is the kde bug system.
>> When
>> > we mark a bug upstream, it is resolved. But in reality, it is *not*. The
>> > bug is resolved only when upstream fix it.
>> >
>> > I have the same doubt when I first triange and mark the bug as upstream.
>> > This time,  the gentoo one shows how much damage a wrong status mark
>> could
>> > bring up.
>> >
>> > The proposal: The kde bugzilla system should be changed. Do not mark
>>  bug
>> > resolved when we conclude it is upstream bug. Only mark a upstream bug
>> > resolved when upstream actually fix it.
>> I disagree, there is nothing else we can do to fix the bug, so from our
>> POV
>> it's a FIXED bug.
>> Well, a bug we can do nothing != a bug is FIXED. We should tell the users
> that we can do nothing. Not tell them the bug is resolved. If upstream do
> not fix it, the users will encounter the bug again and again. How could we
> say the bug is fixed.
> When I saw a bug is marked "Resloved UPSTREAM", I know that KDE has
> nothing to do with the bug. And I know from experience that this bug may
> not be fixed upstream.
> But when a normal user see "Resolved UPSTREAM", lots of them will think
> the bug is *already resolved/fixed" by upstream which is completely wrong.
> We should take steps to clear the confusion. Move UPSTREAM and DOWNSTREAM
> out of Resloved can do this.
> Feng Chao

There are probably ways to handle bugs with resolution UPSTREAM, but it is
a matter of an adapted workflow. It is not part of the webadmins, and
neither does a change of the resolutions change that. That would mean it
would need to be discussed with the entire developer community and its
subteams, don't think a lot of them will read this list.
Because note, that product developers might handle their bugs differently
than other product developers as well.

As personal sidenote, that blog post was nothing less than just a breakage
of the planet policy, even though it might even be right. But wrong place,
and no _constructive_ critizism.

Ingo Malchow
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