UI overhaul

[Sam Hewitt]

I'll offer my apologies then, miscommunication has definitely occurred
which I've been involved in; I just volunteered some assistance and drew a
quick mock-up of some ideas.

To address your points/questions/concerns:

I (like to think I) understand the POV of developers -I do some rudimentary
(an overstatement) development- given the code does limit design in a way.

The icons right of the entry box are indeed for emoticons and an "attach
file" icon -which I would agree isn't necessary given not all protocols
under telepathy support file transfer.

-  Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar?

That would be a poorly drawn webcam, i.e. the video call icon.

The naming thing, personally, I'm all for generic-ism.

 - search always enabled in the chat part

The search was meant to be a contact list search for the ultra-popular
users, not a search through the backlog for the chat history.

- "if you're in a chat, do you want to see all your contacts"?

- If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree. If
we were completely standalone I'd agree.

I agree with this, I don't want to see them; I understand the logic of a
single window mode but I'm not a fan -contrary to the vehement of others.

- I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than the tabs for
all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good
experiment to do and test on a group of people.

If one were to consider the vertical list in my mock-up to be simply for
all active chats, and not a complete list of contacts, then it would be
more cohesive with the ideas in motion. ;)


Regards,

Sam

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, David Edmundson
<david at davidedmundson.co.uk>wrote:

> I think we've all got off on the wrong foot.
>
> This all started on G+, so I'll post one of the comments from there.
> "Just to burst the bubble, I am working with a few Blue Systems folks
> to completely redesign KDE-Telepathy and I have the full design power,
> so if it gets super sleek I'm to be blamed for.
> NOTE: The current UI is terrible, so don't worry, I can't make it
> worse ... no one can :D"
>
> Firstly I think there's some miscommunication going on here. Whilst we
> appreciate input, comments feedback that's quite a long way from
> blindly agreeing to spend the next 3 months of our free time to coding
> something from someone we've not heard of.
> (also we're not all Blue Systems people)
>
> Secondly, the last comment isn't the best way to join a team and a
> community :)
>
> Now that's all been said, lets move on from that.
>
> I like that you've done a mockup, you've got plenty of ideas I agree with.
>
> From a developer POV, it's far easier if we just focus on one thing at
> a time. Otherwise it's quite overwhelming.
>
> So breaking down all your ideas/differences:
>
> - message count in the contact list
>
> Totally agree. I'm working on this right now.
>
> Quite like the lozenge idea, might go with this in the "full" view.
>
> - contact list shows status message under the name
>
> Our "full" view looks like this. In KTp we changed to the much more
> compact view simply because of the large number of contacts people
> have and responded to the feedback
>
> - insert emoticon / send file next to send message box in chat area
>
> With you on the insert emoticon. I think I'll do that.
>
> Not so sure about the sending file (if that's what that icon is to
> represent?). To me that's much more like the audio call, or video call
> and belongs in the toolbar as it's not related to things appearing in
> the chat.
>
> Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar?
>
>  - search always enabled in the chat part
>
> I don't search my backlog that often. I don't think it's that important?
> (or is it for searching contacts?)
>
> - change presence changed to a single icon
>
>  - single window
>
> The controversial one :)
>
> If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree.
> If we were completely standalone I'd agree. But we can start chats
> from not only the contact list, but the chat plasmoid, the
> contact-list plasmoid, incoming messages, krunner, homerun,
> kaddressbook and kmail (pending on the last two),
>
> We're in a situation where people have _huge_ contact lists, I have
> over 300 (yeah, I'm popular!) so in IM clients we are moving away from
> the old notion of wanting to have a browsable list, in essence, the
> contact list is losing relevance as we start chats from other
> applications where we're already interacting with that person.
>
> So you've approached this as "from the contact list would you want to
> see the chats?", whereas we're coming from "if you're in a chat, do
> you want to see all your contacts"?
>
> That said, I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than
> the tabs for all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good
> experiment to do and test on a group of people.
>
>  - name change
>
> Situation summarised here.
>
>
> http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/RepeatedDiscussions/Name#Current_Situation
>
> Have I missed any change suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> David
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