I'll offer my apologies then, miscommunication has definitely occurred which I've been involved in; I just volunteered some assistance and drew a quick mock-up of some ideas.<div><br></div><div>To address your points/questions/concerns:</div>
<div><br></div><div>I (like to think I) understand the POV of developers -I do some rudimentary (an overstatement) development- given the code does limit design in a way.</div><div><br></div><div>The icons right of the entry box are indeed for emoticons and an "attach file" icon -which I would agree isn't necessary given not all protocols under telepathy support file transfer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar?<br></div><div><br></div><div>That would be a poorly drawn webcam, i.e. the video call icon.</div><div><br></div><div>The naming thing, personally, I'm all for generic-ism.</div>
<div><br></div><div> - search always enabled in the chat part</div><div><br></div><div>The search was meant to be a contact list search for the ultra-popular users, not a search through the backlog for the chat history.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- "if you're in a chat, do you want to see all your contacts"?</div><div><br></div><div><div>- If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree. If we were completely standalone I'd agree.</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with this, I don't want to see them; I understand the logic of a single window mode but I'm not a fan -contrary to the vehement of others.</div><div><br></div><div>- I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than the tabs for all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good<br>
experiment to do and test on a group of people.</div><div><br></div><div>If one were to consider the vertical list in my mock-up to be simply for all active chats, and not a complete list of contacts, then it would be more cohesive with the ideas in motion. ;)</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Sam</div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, David Edmundson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@davidedmundson.co.uk" target="_blank">david@davidedmundson.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think we've all got off on the wrong foot.<br>
<br>
This all started on G+, so I'll post one of the comments from there.<br>
"Just to burst the bubble, I am working with a few Blue Systems folks<br>
to completely redesign KDE-Telepathy and I have the full design power,<br>
so if it gets super sleek I'm to be blamed for.<br>
NOTE: The current UI is terrible, so don't worry, I can't make it<br>
worse ... no one can :D"<br>
<br>
Firstly I think there's some miscommunication going on here. Whilst we<br>
appreciate input, comments feedback that's quite a long way from<br>
blindly agreeing to spend the next 3 months of our free time to coding<br>
something from someone we've not heard of.<br>
(also we're not all Blue Systems people)<br>
<br>
Secondly, the last comment isn't the best way to join a team and a community :)<br>
<br>
Now that's all been said, lets move on from that.<br>
<br>
I like that you've done a mockup, you've got plenty of ideas I agree with.<br>
<br>
>From a developer POV, it's far easier if we just focus on one thing at<br>
a time. Otherwise it's quite overwhelming.<br>
<br>
So breaking down all your ideas/differences:<br>
<br>
- message count in the contact list<br>
<br>
Totally agree. I'm working on this right now.<br>
<br>
Quite like the lozenge idea, might go with this in the "full" view.<br>
<br>
- contact list shows status message under the name<br>
<br>
Our "full" view looks like this. In KTp we changed to the much more<br>
compact view simply because of the large number of contacts people<br>
have and responded to the feedback<br>
<br>
- insert emoticon / send file next to send message box in chat area<br>
<br>
With you on the insert emoticon. I think I'll do that.<br>
<br>
Not so sure about the sending file (if that's what that icon is to<br>
represent?). To me that's much more like the audio call, or video call<br>
and belongs in the toolbar as it's not related to things appearing in<br>
the chat.<br>
<br>
Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar?<br>
<br>
- search always enabled in the chat part<br>
<br>
I don't search my backlog that often. I don't think it's that important?<br>
(or is it for searching contacts?)<br>
<br>
- change presence changed to a single icon<br>
<br>
- single window<br>
<br>
The controversial one :)<br>
<br>
If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree.<br>
If we were completely standalone I'd agree. But we can start chats<br>
from not only the contact list, but the chat plasmoid, the<br>
contact-list plasmoid, incoming messages, krunner, homerun,<br>
kaddressbook and kmail (pending on the last two),<br>
<br>
We're in a situation where people have _huge_ contact lists, I have<br>
over 300 (yeah, I'm popular!) so in IM clients we are moving away from<br>
the old notion of wanting to have a browsable list, in essence, the<br>
contact list is losing relevance as we start chats from other<br>
applications where we're already interacting with that person.<br>
<br>
So you've approached this as "from the contact list would you want to<br>
see the chats?", whereas we're coming from "if you're in a chat, do<br>
you want to see all your contacts"?<br>
<br>
That said, I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than<br>
the tabs for all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good<br>
experiment to do and test on a group of people.<br>
<br>
- name change<br>
<br>
Situation summarised here.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/RepeatedDiscussions/Name#Current_Situation" target="_blank">http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/RepeatedDiscussions/Name#Current_Situation</a><br>
<br>
Have I missed any change suggestions?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
David<br>
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