[Fwd: [Fwd: Re: [kde-artists] NEWS flash from GNOME. :-D]]

[JRT]

Sorry to post something controversial to the list.

I think that new people should know what they are getting into.

And to say that the greatest improvement that KDE-Quality can make in 
KDE is to somehow change the attitude of the core developers.

The complete thread is on KDE-Artists.  You can try to figure out how 
what started as my posting something that I found amusing -- it even has 
a funny title -- degenerated into personal insults from TR and AJS.

This is not the attitude of the leadership of a project that I want to 
work for.

Why does a project ask for more participants and then abuse those the 
show up when they try to help?

-- 
JRT

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [kde-artists] NEWS flash from GNOME. :-D]
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:12:36 -0700
From: James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj at acm.org>
To: JRT <jrt256 at earthlink.net>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [kde-artists] NEWS flash from GNOME. :-D
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:10:19 -0700
From: James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj at acm.org>
To: Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org>
CC: kde-artists at kde.org
References: <465B94E4.4030901 at acm.org>
<200705301528.52754.torsten.rahn at credativ.de>	<465E307F.7020105 at acm.org>
<200705302130.45923.aseigo at kde.org>

Please note that this is not 'trolling', it is 'ranting' and I am only
doing this because AJS asked for it, not to mention the fact that he
personally insulted me which I would guess is a violation of the list
posting policy.  {This posting contains sarcasm}

Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007, James Richard Tyrer wrote:

>> My opinion remains that it was a bad idea to use CrystalSVG icons 
>> in a way that forces their use on other DeskTops.
> 
> your opinion is, i am sure, well meant. it's also amazingly, 
> brilliantly wrong. you have a terrific ability for doing this.

I'm not the only person that doesn't like CrystalSVG style icons.

> perhaps you could go help the competition. we'd appreciate that 
> immensely.

The competition's desktop GNOME sucks.  But, this doesn't mean that KDE
doesn't make mistakes.  It doesn't mean that if  gnome fixes bugs and
that KDE doesn't that users won't switch.

Is KDE a monolithic authoritarian project where every one that doesn't
parrot the party line is thrown out?  Or is this a place founded on
freedom where free speech is allowed?

I thought that this was Free Software not a mini-USSR!

>> The fact remains that there is a serious bug in the KDE icon search
>>  code.
> 
> this not a fact, it's just you being ironically humourous, or 
> whatever you wish to call it, once again.

I'm sure that you know the quote:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on questions of facts but
everyone isn't entitled to their own facts on questions of fact.

This is a question of fact and it either is correct or it isn't.  No
matter how many times you say that there is no bug, won't make it go
away.  I hope that someday you will reduce your arrogance sufficiently to
realize that this is true.

First demonstration case:

Please select as your icon theme: KDEClassic.  Select as your toolbar
icon size 22x22.  Now notice that CrystalSVG icons show up in some
cases.  Now the XDG spec at FreeDesktop.org is VERY CLEAR that this
isn't supposed to happen.

Second demonstration case:

Install Oxygen as KDE Artists official said that new icons should be
installed.  That is, install an SVG and 16x16 & 22x22 PNGs.  Select
Oxygen as you theme and 32x32 as the default size.  Hmmmm! The DeskTop
and file manager icons aren't Oxygen.  Again, the spec is VERY CLEAR.
Now reduce the default icon size to 22x22 and -- presto -- Oxygen icons.

 From the spec:

http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html

"Even if there may be an icon with a size closer to the correct one in
an inherited theme, we don't want to use it. Doing so may generate an
inconsistant [sic] change in an icon when you change icon sizes (e.g.
zoom in)."

Now who is the idiot.  The bug is real.  KDE code does not follow the
spec.  Stop with your useless statements that this isn't true -- there
isn't a bug and just fix it.

> please, just go away.

Well that answers one question, if you disagree with the core
developers, they do personally insult you and ask you to leave.  Do you
think that just because this is the only time I can document it on a
public list that this is a secret.  Don't you think that other
developers that have been abused by the arrogant core developers have
contacted me?

YES, Of course they have!  Their advice, it is hopeless, just leave.

TIA
-- 
JRT