DANGER Fedora

[James Richard Tyrer]

Stanislav Karchebny wrote:
>>>>>Trolling us all with engineering quality rants is not a good
>>>>>attitude either.
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> [snip]
> 
>>I just thought that Stanislav Karchebny's remark was indicative of the
>>problem.  Discussions of design/engineering and quality are considered to
>>be SPAM by developers.
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> [snip]
> 
> I said "rants", I didn't say "constructive talk" tho.
> 
> I am all open for architecture discussion that is taken from a design point of 
> view, not from some ranting like "You stupid developers don't see the 
> enlightenment I bring and therefore you suck." Neither it that we can't stand 
> your light - we're just having our fun and let others have their.
> Design is good, and in this matter a design of fedore can be much improved.

If you find: "You stupid developers ... " in this paragraph:

<<
Perhaps it is more obvious to me as an engineer that has been in business 
and believes in the "teachings" of Tom Peters.  The problem is that we have 
unhappy customers.  I realize that some developers do not look on the lowly 
users as customers -- I have even seen an arrogant 'users be damned' 
attitude from some of them.  But that isn't the proper attitude to take in 
this case.  If we want the KDE project to be successful we need to see the 
users as customers and we must consider that if we have unhappy users that 
we have a problem.
 >>

then this is indicative of the problem.  This is not a "rant" either -- yes 
there it is a little sarcastic.  It is my opinion -- which I feel is valid 
-- that developers need an attitude adjustment.  I consider this paragraph 
to be: "constructive talk" -- if you do not that is also part of the problem.

If you disagree with what I said, then please discuss it, but it does no 
good to make derisive comments and call what I said "SPAM".

And, please note that I am saying that there *is* enlightenment in Tom 
Peters books -- it is enlightenment that developers do need.

--
JRT