[Gustavo Pichorim Boiko <boiko@mandriva.com>] Fwd: Re: 2006 Desktop - Second part

[Cristian Tibirna]

Hello everybody

For the particular bug cited here, I think there is a bug report filed:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107634

It would be kind if the initiator of this mail would add details of his 
particular setup and bug behavior to that existing report.

As about improvements to make to the general handling and interaction of 
different treatments applied by kprinter (margins + filters in this case), I 
in my way to become familiar with all notions involved and I'll try to stay 
posted with what can be done before KDE4 and what will be done for KDE4.

Most probably that streamlining the filter interfaces will go int KDE4 
together with the work on the other suggestions on GUI and HCI made by 
OpenUsabilty.org (among others).

Bugs, I'll try to fix them as I understand them.

I'll reiterate here (as embarrassing as this is) that I have a very small 
amount of time available for all things KDE combined until August so any bit 
of help that you can give is more than welcome.

Thanks

On 1 July 2005 10:06, Till Kamppeter wrote:
> Thank you for the report. I forward it to the KDE print developers,
> especially the new maintainer Cristian Tibirna.
>
>     Till
>
> Frederic Lepied wrote:
> > You forgot Till...
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Fwd: Re: 2006 Desktop - Second part
> > From:
> > Gustavo Pichorim Boiko <boiko at mandriva.com>
> > Date:
> > Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:37:08 -0300
> > To:
> > kdeteam at mandriva.com
> >
> > To:
> > kdeteam at mandriva.com
> > CC:
> > flepied at mandriva.com, fcrozat at mandriva.com, joseph at lycoris.com,
> > cavassin at conectiva.com.br
> >
> >
> > Forwarding to everybody in the discussion...
> >
> > ----------  Mensagem reenviada  ----------
> >
> > Subject: Re: 2006 Desktop - Second part
> > Date: Qui 30 Jun 2005 17:37
> > From: Joseph Cheek <joseph at lycoris.com>
> > To: Wanderlei Antonio Cavassin <cavassin at mandriva.com>
> > Cc: Gustavo Pichorim Boiko <boiko at mandriva.com>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't spent a lot of time working on printing, actually, but I agree
> > that it could use some improvements.  I've never had to mess with
> > filters, but I have had plenty of issues with margins.  I'm having one
> > right now, as a matter of fact.
> >
> > i assume till only does backend printing stuff, not kdeprint?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Cheek, CEO, Lycoris, joseph at lycoris.com
> > Consultant to Mandriva, jcheek at mandriva.com
> > Lycoris assets acquired by Mandriva!
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Wanderlei Antonio Cavassin wrote:
> >>Another one.
> >>
> >>[]s
> >>Cavassin
> >>
> >>Em Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:55:08AM -0300, Gustavo Pichorim Boiko escreveu:
> >>>Hi
> >>>
> >>>Well, I've got more things now.
> >>>
> >>>First I would like to say that printing in linux is much far from being
> >>>easy. Even when using KDE for that task.
> >>>Why am I saying that?
> >>>Because today I needed to print some papers here, and I've got the
> >>>following: 1) The filter selection interface is not user friendly (it
> >>> took me a considerable time to understand it correctly). You need to
> >>> select a filter, then add it, the click on it in the applied filters
> >>> list and then click on the configure button to adjust the properties.
> >>> The filter I choose was the multiple pages per sheet one.
> >>>2) Margin configuration is simply stupid, because it first apply the
> >>>margin settings and then apply the filters. This is a big problem when
> >>>using filters like the one I have used (multiple pages), because it
> >>>inverts the orientation of the page (when you put two pages in a sheet),
> >>>and then the botton of the page becomes unprintable (as my printer can't
> >>>print in the last two centimeters of the page).
> >>>3) If you want to preview the printing, you need to go to File->Print
> >>> and then configure everything you need and choose the option for
> >>> previewing instead of printing. That is not easy for the user. The
> >>> worst part is that there is programs that have the print preview option
> >>> (so for each application you have a different way of previewing the
> >>> pages, that's bad). 4) Now kdeprint is unmaintained (there is a
> >>> volunteer for that if I remember correctly), and even when it was
> >>> maintained it was not activelly developed.
> >>>
> >>>The server part of the printing process is getting better and better
> >>>(because of cups, and so on), but we can't forget the client part (which
> >>>is the part our users will see and directly interact with)
> >>>
> >>>I think this printing stuff is really important if we want to have a
> >>>professional desktop.
> >>>
> >>>One more thing I was wondering is about the Lycoris software. From what
> >>> I remember Lycoris has some desktop improvements and I think we should
> >>> evaluate the software (if possible, of course) and take the good parts
> >>> into 2006.
> >>>
> >>>One more time I would ask you to comment those ideas.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Gustavo Pichorim Boiko
> >>>--
> >>>boiko @ mandriva . com
> >>>Mandriva - http://www.mandriva.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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-- 
Cristian Tibirna
KDE developer .. tibirna at kde.org .. http://www.kde.org