[Kde-pim] KDE/kdepim/kmail

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 28 May 2010 19:23:55 Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Friday 28 May 2010, laurent Montel wrote:
> > On Jeudi 27 Mai 2010 23:17:36 Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > > On Thursday 27 May 2010, Thomas McGuire wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Thursday 27 May 2010 16:31:18 Laurent Montel wrote:
> > > > > Put offline agentinstance when we close kmail.
> > > > > I don't want that email is always download when I
> > > > > don't use kmail
> > > > 
> > > > Please revert this for now.
> > > > When you restart KMail, all agents are set to offline, which
> > > > causes strange bugs like the local folder resource not
> > > > delivering items.
> > > > 
> > > > The proper solution would be to do this on the server side: If
> > > > the last application that uses email has closed the connection
> > > > to the Akonadi server, then set the agents to offline. If the
> > > > first application starts using the server for email, then put
> > > > the agents online (could be detected e.g. by checking for a
> > > > CollectionFetchJob with the rfc822 mimetype, or with a special
> > > > command, although that is not very robust).
> > > > Other possibilities: Use D-Bus calls to the control process,
> > > > although this is not crash-resistant. Other suggestions were
> > > > creating a dedicated KDED module.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not sure if we should do this, as Tobias opposed this when
> > > > we talked about it. I'm in favor though, as some people might
> > > > not like that the system checks the email without an email
> > > > application running. CC'ing the mailing list, as this might be
> > > > of more general interest.
> > > 
> > > I would definitely want my system to check for mail as soon as I
> > > log in, so that the mail has already been downloaded and properly
> > > filtered when I fire up KMail.
> > > 
> > > What is the problem you are trying to fix? What's the actual reason
> > > behind this?
> > 
> > The problem is that for end-user will not understand that all email
> > is download when kmail is closed.
> > By default with kmail1/evolution/mozilla-mail when we close theses
> > applications, we don't download email.
> > 
> > So if people as me, keep his kde environment login in my home, and
> > try to get email in my office, I will not have my email.
> > (concret example: home I have a pop3 for kde emails, and at my office
> > I use imap to look at them).
> > Now how we can explain to users that "sorry you keep your kde
> > environment up so sorry you can have your email wait this night to
> > read them"
> > 
> > It's not an acceptable solution.
> > 
> > This method works when we have just one computer and that's all, but
> > when we want to read email in several computer (with pop3) it's not
> > a valid solution.
> 
> IMHO the idea to use POP3 for reading mail in several computers is
> braindead. POP3 was not designed to be used this way. OTOH, IMAP was
> specifically designed for this use case.
> 
Hehe - it's only 12 years since my university lecturer told me that POP3 was 
on the way out, since IMAP was obviously better.  Don't rush things!

> It is not acceptable to hamper people using sensible mail protocols just
> because some people insist on using POP3. Also, why don't you simply
> tell KMail to leave the messages on the POP3 for a week or so?
> 
> If you really need this feature then make it configurable.
> 
Actually, if that is feasible it would be very popular, IMO.

Anne
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