[Kde-pim] Fwd: [Bug 15711] Project infrastructure for desktop PIM service Akonadi

[Kevin Krammer]

On Thursday 08 January 2009, Volker Krause wrote:
> On Thursday 08 January 2009 18:24:21 Kevin Krammer wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 January 2009, Volker Krause wrote:
> > > On Thursday 08 January 2009 16:49:31 Tom Albers wrote:
> > > > /me scratches head...
> > > >
> > > > Did I miss a memo?
> > >
> > > I'm wondering the same...
> >
> > I am actually not suprised very much.
> > They have probably been working very hard to find suitable phrasing
> > of "reasons".
> >
> > > Would have been nice if those "various people" would talk to us about
> > > their "number of concerns" :-/
> >
> > Looking at the other items I'd say that there are actually no substantial
> > reasons (otherwise they would have been mentioned), but rather an attempt
> > to "save face" in the light of almost a year of delay while at the same
> > time being vague enought to not shed any bad light on us.
>
> Well, that didn't work at all then. The whole process certainly confirms
> predjudices against fd.o and since we don't have concrete issues to argue
> against it sheds a bad light on us at least for the casual observers who
> don't know the whole background.

Well, true, but after months of inactivity their choice have become rather 
limited.
IMHO the "reject" is probably the best possible outcome, since further limbo 
would not have helped anything either and I am afraid that an "accept" at 
that amount of delay would probably have meant that we would ignore it out of 
considerations how any such future delays would affect the project's 
capabilities to control its own development.

> > I guess I could have closed it myself saying that we came to an agreement
> > with KDE to provide the infrastructure since this is such an important
> > project for the Free Software desktop.
>
> Which might have given the impression that we are longer interested in
> making Akonadi a cross-desktop project...

True, good point!

> Anyway, it never really was about infrastructure, we have an excellent one
> in KDE, but about making it clear to everyone that Akonadi is intended to
> be a cross-desktop project, not something only for KDE.

Right

> > I am consider to writing a blog entry explaining that fdo hosting is
> > basically provided for projects which cannot easily get access to one of
> > the desktop projects' infrastructures.
>
> That's not fully true IMHO, that would imply that projects currently hosted
> on fd.o (eg. D-Bus and poppler) would not have gotten access to KDE
> infrastructure, which is not true.

Yes, correct, though that or basically an explicit request to move to 
a "neutral" hoster are actually the only reasons to do host there.
Initially the idea behind fd.o hosting might have been different, but both 
GNOME and KDE infrastructure and admins are way more reliable.

> > Probably should do this right away to avoid having somebody else blog
> > about it negatively.
>
> I can't say I could blame anyone for doing that, but then I don't know the
> full story myself yet.

Also true, however I believe that calming the storm is way more hassle than 
trying to prevent it in the first place.

Those who want can still point fingers but I hope my kind of optimistic intial 
response can keep it at a sane level.
And probably helps to get to know the actual reasons before anyone decides it 
is better to hide behin the offical ones.

Cheers,
Kevin

-- 
Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
KDE user support, developer mentoring
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