Feedback about Breadcrumb Navigation stuff.

[Bart Cerneels]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 07:50, Jeffery MacEachern
<j.maceachern at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:15, nuno pinheiro <nuno at oxygen-icons.org> wrote:
>> On Saturday 28 August 2010 19:39:17 Marco Martin wrote:
>>> On Saturday 28 August 2010, Stephen Kelly wrote:
>>> > Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>>> > > On Friday, August 27, 2010, Bart Cerneels wrote:
>>> > >> The breadcrumb items (Home, kdabtest2, Inbox) look the same as the
>>> > >> selection items (Tasks, Journals, etc) *
>>> > >
>>> > > that was precisely my thought as well..
>>> >
>>> > This is already a misunderstanding. In the screenshot the selected item
>>> > is "Inbox", "kdabtest2" is one level up from that, and "Tasks" etc are
>>> > children of "Inbox". Only one breadcrumb item ("kdabtest2" here) is ever
>>> > shown currently, though that might change in the future (If an item has
>>> > few or no child items, we'll show more breadcrumbs rather than leave
>>> > empty space below). "Home" is not a breadcrumb, but a always-there way
>>> > to get back to the invisible root of the tree. If "Contacts" had two
>>> > child folders (it doesn't otherwise you would see a plus) and I clicked
>>> > it what
>>>
>>> > I would see is this:
>>> uhm, inbox should be indented compared to kdabtest2, and tasks notes etc
>>> indented compared to inbox (with bullet points)
>>>
>>> home if it's a separate action to always get to the root, should look like
>>> a pushbutton
>>>
>>> >   Home |
>>> >
>>> > Inbox  |
>>> > --------
>>> > Contacts
>>> > --------
>>> > Sub1   |
>>> > Sub2   |
>>> >
>>> > I would be interested to know if this is clear to people who used it, and
>>> > not only saw videos and screenshots. I think the animations really help
>>> > too.
>>> >
>>> > Please checkout and build this:
>>> >
>>> > svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdepim/runtime/qml/kde/tests/qml
>>> > br eadcrumbnavigation
>>> >
>>> > It's a self contained Qt only (4.7) test case which you can use to
>>> > navigate around and try out.
>>>
>>> in this test there is the same problem, it's hard to tell what the items
>>> mean without looking at the treeview
>>> with a bit of indentation and a back icon (a left facing arrow or an undo
>>> icon) near the label of the button that goes one level up (an uhm..
>>> one-level breadcrumb?) would be more clear s well
>>
>> guys you need to test the thing in the device it makes no sence in a static
>> picture, it looks completly completly completly difrent in the n900.
>>
>> you need to use it its quite self explanatory wile using it
>
> I have to agree with Nuno on that.  While I do remember being
> initially a bit unsure of how to interact with it, I figured it out
> quickly.  Also, I think that may have been with a slightly earlier
> version.
>

This is a very good point. Unfortunately I don't have an N900 to test
with. Can Kontact mobile run on N810 as well and are there packages
available for diablo? Let me know in private mail or a new topic.

> That said, I've never really seen UI elements such as the Flaps or the
> Breadcrumb widget in use elsewhere.  I think they work well, but are
> there any plans for how to introduce new widgets to users?  (e.g. a
> quick demo screen or something?)
>

We are in the process of developing new UI elements now aren't we. The
breadcrumb is certainly one we'll see used by KDE mobile apps a lot so
it's good we are discussing it.
One thing I would like to do though is get designers involved *now*
rather then later. Not just involved, I would go as far as having a
small team of KDE designers (Nuno, Enrico, Thomas, etc) actually
determine the KDE mobile user experience.

Bart