[KDE/Mac] Fwd: Article: Slackware Developer Not Happy With KDE5 Development

[Mario Fux]

Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014, 18.48:11 schrieb René J.V. Bertin:

Morning René

Finally an answer. Sorry for the delay.

> On Thursday October 16 2014 18:22:36 Mario Fux wrote:
> > First and foremost. It's great to see my kde-mac mailing list folder
> > growing with unread messages. There seems to be so much work going on.
> > Thanks!
> 
> You're welcome!
> 
> > > hear, hear :)
> > 
> > Some context? You might be a bit more verbose?
> 
> Well, I think the article speaks for itself. It evokes a number of
> observations I've made myself. While I can understand that at some point
> one has (or wants) to move forward, the whole migration to KF5 is
> beginning to have a bit too much of a "burning bridges behind us" thing
> going on. There could be a bigger effort to work on a global release in
> the background, as the article states. I guess it's not a too noticeable
> problem in the Linux world where the distro maintainers can take over
> maintenance of KDE4 code. But we KDE-mac people often get the remark that
> we really ought to be doing our thing on KF5, I've even been told that
> working on KDevelop 4 is beating a dead horse. Not that I couldn't use a
> different IDE, but KDevelop's integration with the documentation and code
> comments make it a prime tool to work on KDE code that one isn't yet
> intimately familiar with. As such it should, IMHO, be one of the last
> applications to see all its development move to KF5.

On the other hand I think it makes sense that KDevelop is one of the first to 
go to Qt5 and KF5 to provide a platform to develop software with these new 
libraries.

But I think in general we agree. Although it's again mostly a case of (wo)man 
power, that's missing. Tha's for kdelibs and KDE Frameworks, for KDE software 
on Windows and Mac and almost everywhere. People work on what they use 
themselves, mostly in the free software world, it's a bit different in the 
corporate work.

And thus I think it's so great that you guys are working on KDE software for 
Mac. It's a tough start but you're (IMHO) doing great. But your new to KDE 
software and it's new for KDE core developer that there is a KDE software on 
Mac movement so it needs time to work best together. But I think you're on a 
great path.

> Mind you, it's not that I don't understand why this happens. It's just a
> pity (if not shame) that there hasn't been a more systematic effort before
> to reap the benefits of Qt's cross-platform nature and work towards a more
> integrated/native KDE experience on OS X. After all cross-platform
> development is one of the best ways to discover dormant bugs in your code
> ... (Qt too would have benefited; there are issues on OS X that remain in
> Qt5 and that probably could have been addressed before a big commercial
> code-base depends on them or specific work-arounds ;) )

It think the kdelibs4 to KF5 port/development work was more systematic then 
kde3 to kde4. But we of course can still improve.

Oh and go and take a look what masses of (KDE) code landed in Qt5. We 
upstreamed so much.

Anyway, thanks for your ongoing work on KDE software on Mac. It's nice that 
you give me something to read. Some of you guys should start to blog about it!

Best regards
Mario