[kde-linux] XDG vs. KDE-4 Menu

James Tyrer jrtyrer at earthlink.net
Sun May 30 21:17:17 UTC 2010

On 05/29/10 14:39, Duncan wrote:
> James Tyrer posted on Sat, 29 May 2010 07:57:52 -0700 as excerpted:
>> I am still using the KDE-4.4 SVN BRANCH although I am a few days
>> behind due to GCC vs. GLibc vs. Linux header problems.
> Since you're running a live-svn version, is this a new bug, or has it
> been there since the 4.4.0 tag or before?

It appears to be something that happened in the last month, or so.

> Not necessarily expecting you to recompile everything back to the old
> tags, but do you know, or have you just noticed this bug and don't
> know how it behaved earlier?
>> I have KDE-4.4.x installed in: "/opt/KDE-4", if you have it
>> installed in: "/usr", you might not be able to reproduce this.
> FWIW, mine is in /usr, so...
>> I find a strange thing which I think might be a bug.
>> I have my XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable set to include:
>> /usr/share /opt/KDE-4/share /usr/local/Adobe/Reader9/Resource<- or
>> where ever you have it.
> That last looks like non-freedomware, so of course I'm not going to
> have it anywhere...
> $ export | grep XDG | grep -v HOME declare -x
> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg" declare -x
> XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/local/share:/usr/share" $
>> I find that 'desktop' files in these directories do not appear in
>> the menu (KickOff).
> By "in these directories", do you mean in the applications subdir of
> these directories, or in these directories themselves?

Naturally, the menu items are in: XDG_DATA_DIRS/applications

> Of course the desktop.org spec says applications subdir.  You get
> that in the user version, below, but don't specifically say it here,
> so I thought I'd ask.
>> However, if I copy the 'desktop' files to:
>> .local/share/applications
>> they immediately appear in the menu and if the 'desktop' files
>> have: "Categories", they are in the correct place(s) (otherwise
>> they are in Lost&  Found till "Categories" are added).
>> I note that: "/usr/share" is first in XDG_DATA_DIRS
>> I think that KickOff should scan all of the XDG_DATA_DIRS to find
>> the menu entries.  Can someone please reproduce this?  Do you think
>> that this is a bug?
> Does your $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus kde-4.4-applications.menu contain
> the <DefaultAppsDirs>  element as specified in the spec?  I'm not
> sure where it comes from (a quick equery suggests kdelibs, a quick
> check of my 4.4.3 binpkg confirms it, so I'm sure now =:^), but mine
> contains <DefaultAppsDirs/>  (note the terminating /, the
> significance in xml of which I don't know), and does indeed seem to
> include them, tho the caveat above about installation location is
> noted.
> Have you kmenuedited or otherwise edited your user's menu?  Does the
> same thing happen with a "fresh" user, without any previous user
> specific kde or xdg config?
I already tried deleting: "$HOME/.config/menus/*"

> I'm not going to try installing a bunch of stuff to other than /usr
> to test this, but I /could/ try pointing XDG_DATA_DIRS at some
> non-standard location (like somewhere in /opt) and temporarily moving
> my /usr/share/ applications dir there, to see if kde is appropriately
> following the XDG_DATA_DIRS setting or using some hard-coded default
> instead, if you think it'd help.  Tho it'd likely be sometime next
> week b4 I got to test it, as I'm quite busy the rest of the weekend
> and early next week.


James Tyrer

Linux (mostly) From Scratch

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